View Full Version : Why do we Demonize or Women?
coyoteblack
11-28-2008, 07:32 PM
I checked some of or brothers out lately... What is with this anger Yall have towards these Women.
One minute you want to bury your face in their ass, the next you sound like you want to Kick them in it.. It seems that we take pleasure in the glorifying them, then Demonizing them because we think that they don't feel we are worth the time..... Make your minds up are they our Queens or whores, are they're both... Damn some Women can be a B****, as well as us guys can be a major A**holes. Live with it.
DAMn..
Hey if that's how you feel , cool... it's all my problem I will deal with it but go home to those who have a mother(lets face it some don't) go kiss them with that mouth you just call another(someones mother) a ho......
Just a passing thought... Another passing thought just maybe some of you Men hiding inadequacies are is their some hidden longings you can't explain(or don't want to explain)...
Now rip me a new one....LOL
I honestly love women. I grew up with amazing, intelligent and beautiful women all my life BUT...
Looking at women TODAY. Im as a woman...cannot help but be simply disapointed. Most women today are just plain STUPID. And I feel sorry for men because these days it's so hard to find a woman that is truly a "wifey material"...I mean look at this...
Almost EVRY chick I knew in high school are now pregnant or have kids...they are not in relationships (Im not even saying married LOL, married...to ur children father - HAH aint THAT a joke these days!)...and most of them are not even TRYING to be in a good contact with their kids father...all I see is their status on Facebook "babyfather are wack...my babyfather is a worthless peice of shit" ect etc. (I wrote about this in another thread - Life, Love and Relationships I think)...and they talk like this infront of these poor kids and then we sit there and wonder why kids grow to be so stuuuupid. YOU went and had HIS child...yet u dont have enuff decency to RESPECT him as a person??? or AT LEAST infront if HIS seed!!!...like wtf...
Most women get pregnant and have kids like it's a hobby, from God knows who and God knows why...they dont respect and love themselves to use protection.
Most wanna marry rich and call it a fucking day. (Check out sLam's thead LOL)...
Like honestly. We are so much better than that. We can DO so much better, women simply choose to be STUPID these days. Most are still girls tryna act big...ohh look Im a mother now? Are u a good one? What have u done for urself besides getting pregnant???...
Guys remember back in the day? U would go to a party and maybe hope to get a number, a lil conversation or a smile...now KIDS go to parties and u know what they say? "yeee...Ima HIT IT tonight" "ye man that bitch just sucked my dick at the back"...and yes these guys are being disrespectful but WHO IS LETTING THEM?????...WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in ur RIGHT MIND u go to a party and suck some RANDOM dick, and open ur legs for some guy u might never see again...unless he goes to ur school of course!
Women today went SO low...and it's starting so young.
All those INTELLIGENT women out there, I praise you. Keep going to school, working...making YOUR money, getting MARRIED or STAYING in long-term relationships...AMEN.
coyoteblack
11-28-2008, 08:10 PM
I honestly love women. I grew up with amazing, intelligent and beautiful women all my life BUT...
Looking at women TODAY. Im as a woman...cannot help but be simply disapointed. Most women today are just plain STUPID. And I feel sorry for men because these days it's so hard to find a woman that is truly a "wifey material"...I mean look at this...
Almost EVRY chick I knew in high school are now pregnant or have kids...they are not in relationships (Im not even saying married LOL, married...to ur children father - HAH aint THAT a joke these days!)...and most of them are not even TRYING to be in a good contact with their kids father...all I see is their status on Facebook "babyfather are wack...my babyfather is a worthless peice of shit" ect etc. (I wrote about this in another thread - Life, Love and Relationships I think)...and they talk like this infront of these poor kids and then we sit there and wonder why kids grow to be so stuuuupid. YOU went and had HIS child...yet u dont have enuff decency to RESPECT him as a person??? or AT LEAST infront if HIS seed!!!...like wtf...
Most women get pregnant and have kids like it's a hobby, from God knows who and God knows why...they dont respect and love themselves to use protection.
Most wanna marry rich and call it a fucking day. (Check out sLam's thead LOL)...
Like honestly. We are so much better than that. We can DO so much better, women simply choose to be STUPID these days. Most are still girls tryna act big...ohh look Im a mother now? Are u a good one? What have u done for urself besides getting pregnant???...
Guys remember back in the day? U would go to a party and maybe hope to get a number, a lil conversation or a smile...now KIDS go to parties and u know what they say? "yeee...Ima HIT IT tonight" "ye man that bitch just sucked my dick at the back"...and yes these guys are being disrespectful but WHO IS LETTING THEM?????...WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY in ur RIGHT MIND u go to a party and suck some RANDOM dick, and open ur legs for some guy u might never see again...unless he goes to ur school of course!
Women today went SO low...and it's starting so young.
All those INTELLIGENT women out there, I praise you. Keep going to school, working...making YOUR money, getting MARRIED or STAYING in long-term relationships...AMEN.So you saying that these guys don't respect women because they don't respect themselves... interesting coming from a woman, valid point......
That is exactly what Im saying. Women choose to act stupid and disrespect themselves, so therefor men will treat like what they are portraying.
dathill2002
11-29-2008, 12:54 AM
:clap: @ this thread.
There are too many dudes out here downing women in general like their own mother didn't have something to do with them being here. Personally I find it ironic myself a dude can get on cutiecentral and admire pics of beautiful women while at the same time be simmering with a hidden hatred for females in general.
This HOH (hard on hoes) movement dudes are pushing for 2008 is borderline homosexual.:shame:
ebmobley
11-29-2008, 02:41 AM
The Information Age brought a wealth of knowledge and a load of shit.
The media is to blame for this problem we are facing now. The media is guiding the thoughts and actions of our youth without any moral responsibility.
Back in the early to mid 90's I used to search the channels looking for sexually explicit images. Long story short, I could hardly find any (except on Univision). I might catch a glimpse of a thigh or something and that was about it. But nowadays you can turn on any channel in the middle of the day and at least catch a woman pulling up her skirt.
Going to Icey's example of back in the day parties, you got what you can get (a phone number). Moving forward, if you go to a party and the girls are giving away head, what are you to do? It brings up a completely different dynamic. Even if you are respectful of women, how would you respond?
I have met girls who I was interested in and thought they were respectable. I was interested in getting to know them better and pursuing a relationship. But out of the blue they come at me talking about tricks they can do with such and such. Sure I want to see the trick, but in essense it destroyed the relationship. They were starting to come off like sluts, not just freaky girls.
Let me not just dog the women, because the media has affected men too. We come to expect women to act and be a certain way, when in reality a self respecting woman woulding behave in that manner.
®eese
11-29-2008, 03:10 AM
All those INTELLIGENT women out there, I praise you. Keep going to school, working...making YOUR money, getting MARRIED or STAYING in long-term relationships...AMEN.
i need to find a women like that.......*goes to match.com*:laugh:
Cali'sFinest23
11-29-2008, 05:15 AM
Men demoralize women nowadays because it's becoming more and more "EXCEPTABLE" if you look at kids with there mothers sometimes you can clearly see kids disrespecting their mothers on a daily basis. When I was growing up there were things I would never even think of says to my parents in general. But in my opinion it all leads back to the fathers who aren't teaching respect in households and the television that shows women in terrible ways.
There are so many dfferent avenues I can take to attack this thread I can't choose between them.
Funny, how the one female that has responded in here pointed out female flaws. The males are all pointing their finger at other males.
xXxDaBlackNinjaxXx
11-29-2008, 11:12 AM
so much can be said...my one road is
i call em like i see em...don't like it, FUCK YOU
that is all
I believe Icey's post is the most accurate...
Couple gets caught having sex at stadium...then released to their spouses.
Crowd cheered Metrodome sexcapade
While the Iowa Hawkeyes were scoring at will on the field Saturday night, two fans from the Hawkeye State also were scoring elsewhere in the Metrodome.
Police say that a man and woman were "having relations" in one of the bathroom stalls as a crowd cheered them on.
The man, 26 and from Linden, Iowa, and the woman 38 and from Carroll, Iowa, were cited for misdemeanor indecent conduct.He was released to his girlfriend and she to her husband, police said.
A security guard came upon the scene in the handicapped stall, police said. Police were summoned, and they separated the two.
Both were intoxicated, said Deputy Police Chief Chuck Miner.
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UPDATE:
November 26, 2008
STACI HUPP
shupp@dmreg.com
A Carroll woman who was caught having sex in the men's room at an Iowa Hawkeye football game in Minneapolis last weekend says she'd had so much wine before kickoff that she doesn't remember walking into the restroom, the man she had sex with in a stall, or when the police opened the door.
What Lois Feldman, 38, will remember is the humiliation afterward.
"It's ruined my life," she said through tears today. "Not just the incident but the press."
Feldman, a married mother of three, has been the target of Internet jokes and prank telephone calls today. She was fired this morning from an assisted living center, where she had been an administrator.
Feldman said her husband, Kelly, has been supportive. She said he faults himself for not going with her when she left her seat to use the restroom before halftime.
"I don't know what happened," Lois Feldman said. "But I don't deny that it did happen because obviously there are police reports.?"
Police ticketed Feldman, 38, and Ross Walsh, 26, of Linden for indecent conduct Saturday night.
A security guard who said he saw the two having sex through a gap in a men's restroom stall flagged down campus police, according to the police report.
By the time an officer arrived, about a dozen people were cheering and laughing in the bathroom while Feldman and Walsh were inside the stall, the report said.
The officer pushed his way through the crowd, opened the door and separated Feldman and Walsh, the report said.
Police described both Feldman and Walsh as upset, drunk and uncooperative.
Chuck Miner, deputy chief of the University of Minnesota police department, said officers tracked down Feldman's husband.
"I'm not sure how they made contact with her husband, but they needed her husband to help identify her" because she'd given the wrong middle name.
Miner said police didn't measure the blood-alcohol level of Feldman or Walsh. Asked to respond to Feldman's claim that she was too drunk to recall the incident, Miner said: "That's probably an accurate statement."
Feldman said she'd never met Walsh.
"I don't know who this man is," she said today. "I just found out his name in the paper last night."
Walsh wasn't immediately available for comment.
Carroll, Feldman's hometown, is about 60 miles northwest of Linden, where Walsh lives.
Feldman, who describes herself as a light drinker, drank wine at the home of family friends before the football game.
She said she doesn't remember how much she drank, but the party's hosts refilled her glass each time it was low "so I'm sure I drank a lot."
Feldman said her husband later told her he'd tried to talk her out of the game because she was intoxicated.
"He said I didn't realize it was that bad," she said.
Feldman said her husband accompanied her to the game, but their friends stayed home.
She said she remembers sitting in the stands one moment and the next "being slammed around by a cop and screaming."
"Apparently I was panicked and very uncooperative," she said.
Feldman said she "ran away" from her husband the Metrodome after the incident.
She said a woman she didn't know offered her a ride home about 11 p.m.
Feldman said she gave her husband's cell phone number to the woman, who called Kelly Feldman for directions to the couple's hotel.
Lois Feldman said her attorney has encouraged her to fight the ticket.
"He feels I was taken advantage of in my state of mind," she said. "This is not me. We're a very good family. This shouldn't happen."
Miner, the campus police officer, said fighting the indecent conduct charge could be a long shot.
"It's spelled out in the law in Minnesota that intoxication is not a defense to any crime," he said.
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NO!! SHE'S NOT A WHORE! ITS EVERYONE'S FAULT BESIDES HERS.
-It was the people who they were hanging out with for giving her too much wine.
-It was her husbands for not insisting on taking her home instead of to the game
-it was her husbands for not going to the bathroom with her
-it was the guys fault who 'took advantage of her'
-it was the cops fault for pressing charges because she was so intoxicated
-it was the cops fault for slamming her around because she was resisting arrest
SHE'S PERFECT, EVERYONE ELSE IS THE PROBLEM. Why do we keep demoralizing women? When will it stop? Men need to be ashamed of themselves!
Give me a fucking break! :krazy:
FuriouStylez
11-29-2008, 04:15 PM
some of these niccas sound like a rest haven for hos...
coyoteblack
11-29-2008, 06:18 PM
obviously she has some serious issues.... Their are the ones who do take more responsibilities for their actions slam... what about those who care about themselves and who's actions do dictate respect.... Icey did make a good point as you said but we cannot put every female in the same category..
Some guys do project certain unfounded animosity on women, a deep hate that doesn't make since in my book... And yes we do tend to expose kids growing up today to behavioral and suggestive TV and other forms of media...
Like this study here
The average American teenager watches three hours of television a day. Typical teen fare contains heavy doses of sexual content, ranging from touching, kissing, jokes, and innuendo to conversations about sexual activity and portrayals of intercourse. Sex is often presented as a casual activity without risk or consequences. Conventional wisdom holds that the messages young viewers absorb from television promote sexual activity in this group. Yet, despite the prevalence of this view, there has been little empirical study to date of how watching sex on television influences teenagers’ sexual behavior.
In some ways we are developing this trend by our own acceptance of this behavior... I look at how my nieces dress going to school and their friends, how they behave.... Its scary when you think about it....
MURDER. Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence, the euphemism for murders and assaults by husbands and boyfriends. That's approximately 1,400 women a year, according to the FBI. The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.
BATTERING. Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.
SEXUAL ASSAULT. Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.
That woman who had sex in the bathroom deserve what she got (especially since she is married) .....
This anger turns to something else...
obviously she has some serious issues.... Their are the ones who do take more responsibilities for their actions slam... what about those who care about themselves and who's actions do dictate respect.... Icey did make a good point as you said but we cannot put every female in the same category..
Some guys do project certain unfounded animosity on women, a deep hate that doesn't make since in my book... And yes we do tend to expose kids growing up today to behavioral and suggestive TV and other forms of media...
Like this study here
The average American teenager watches three hours of television a day. Typical teen fare contains heavy doses of sexual content, ranging from touching, kissing, jokes, and innuendo to conversations about sexual activity and portrayals of intercourse. Sex is often presented as a casual activity without risk or consequences. Conventional wisdom holds that the messages young viewers absorb from television promote sexual activity in this group. Yet, despite the prevalence of this view, there has been little empirical study to date of how watching sex on television influences teenagers’ sexual behavior.
In some ways we are developing this trend by our own acceptance of this behavior... I look at how my nieces dress going to school and their friends, how they behave.... Its scary when you think about it....
MURDER. Every day four women die in this country as a result of domestic violence, the euphemism for murders and assaults by husbands and boyfriends. That's approximately 1,400 women a year, according to the FBI. The number of women who have been murdered by their intimate partners is greater than the number of soldiers killed in the Vietnam War.
BATTERING. Although only 572,000 reports of assault by intimates are officially reported to federal officials each year, the most conservative estimates indicate two to four million women of all races and classes are battered each year. At least 170,000 of those violent incidents are serious enough to require hospitalization, emergency room care or a doctor's attention.
SEXUAL ASSAULT. Every year approximately 132,000 women report that they have been victims of rape or attempted rape, and more than half of them knew their attackers. It's estimated that two to six times that many women are raped, but do not report it. Every year 1.2 million women are forcibly raped by their current or former male partners, some more than once.
That woman who had sex in the bathroom deserve what she got (especially since she is married) .....
This anger turns to something else...
Yeah, some guys are fucked up. However, I don't see a trend developing. Women (and men) have been murdered, battered, and sexually assaulted since the beginning of civilization. Men & Women are flawed, put around 6.7 billion of us on 1 planet and shit happens. Can't expect perfection from imperfect beings.
As far as the husbands/boyfriends battering & murdering their wives/girlfriends, that doesn't mean they have a deep hatred for all women. There was a conflict between them and their women and it escalated to violence (isolated incident). That hardly means that many men are out to get all women.
Every year about 132,000 women make a rape claim? That means maybe 66,000 of those claims are legit. Statistics show that over half of all reported rape claims are false.
What do you think of the following study that was conducted on rape?
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Scientific Study Concludes: Rape is a Natural Product of Evolution
Scripps Howard News Service - January 11, 2000
Rape is not, typically, the crime of male domination it has been portrayed as by sociologists and feminists in recent years, says a University of New Mexico biology professor.
Instead, UNM's Randy Thornhill and Colorado anthropologist Craig T. Palmer have developed a new theory that rape is a complex sexual crime with strong roots in human evolution.
Moreover, contend Thornhill and Palmer, rape "prevention efforts will founder until they are based on the understanding that rape evolved as a form of male reproductive behavior."
"We have to get real about rape," Thornhill said in a recent interview.
The two scientists co-authored an article titled "Why Men Rape" in the current issue of the journal The Sciences. The journal is published by the New York Academy of Sciences.
Thornhill and Palmer are to expound on their research in an upcoming book, A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion, scheduled for release in April by MIT Press.
In the article, Thornhill and Palmer take aim at the prevailing societal notion that rape isn't about sex but about male power and is "a symptom of an unhealthy society in which men fear and disrespect women."
Palmer and Thornhill say some sociologists advance a view that, they think, incorrectly assumes that rape is "unnatural behavior that has nothing to do with sex and one that has no corollary in the animal world."
They counter that rape is part of the male mental sexual psyche; was at least part of a successful male reproductive strategy in human evolutionary history; and is strong enough to survive today despite strong social sanctions and legal penalties.
But they do not equate "natural" as good and agree that their public mission is to make rape extinct as a trait in human beings.
In an interview, Palmer said the article aims to convince "those who accept evolution but don't see it as applying to the brain and behavior and particularly the behavior of rape.
"We have to convince them that behavior, including sexual, evolved, just like our morphology and anatomy," he said. "The brain evolved along with the rest of the body."
Palmer said they aren't arguing that men who rape are "genetically predisposed to rape" or that there is a rape gene. Rather, they say that all males appear to be genetically capable of rape, and it is an act which can be triggered by environmental conditions or interactions in life.
The two scientists contend that current thinking about what causes rape is so bankrupt that it ignores the reality that by definition rape requires sexual arousal of the rapist.
Thornhill cites his own study of insects called scorpionflies, in which males are equipped with an appendage used solely to grab a female's forewing and prevent her escape during involuntary mating. The "rape clamp" is used when a male scorpionfly fails to attract a female through the alternative reproduction strategy of offering nuptial gifts, such as a dead insect.
Palmer said the argument actually might get greater acceptance among lay people than in some scientific quarters because people instinctively know that men and women are not just biologically different but think differently, have different sexual agendas or goals and "respond to certain behaviors in different ways."
"These differences are what lie at the basis of rape and what made it a possibility in our evolutionary history," he said.
The scientists say this broke a long tradition of professional journals' sidestepping the issue of rape's evolutionary underpinnings as being politically incorrect.
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coyoteblack
11-29-2008, 08:42 PM
Yeah, some guys are fucked up. However, I don't see a trend developing. Women (and men) have been murdered, battered, and sexually assaulted since the beginning of civilization. Men & Women are flawed, put around 6.7 billion of us on 1 planet and shit happens. Can't expect perfection from imperfect beings.
As far as the husbands/boyfriends battering & murdering their wives/girlfriends, that doesn't mean they have a deep hatred for all women. There was a conflict between them and their women and it escalated to violence (isolated incident). That hardly means that many men are out to get all women.
Every year about 132,000 women make a rape claim? That means maybe 66,000 of those claims are legit. Statistics show that over half of all reported rape claims are false.
What do you think of the following study that was conducted on rape?
--------------------
Scientific Study Concludes: Rape is a Natural Product of Evolution
Scripps Howard News Service - January 11, 2000
Rape is not, typically, the crime of male domination it has been portrayed as by sociologists and feminists in recent years, says a University of New Mexico biology professor.
Instead, UNM's Randy Thornhill and Colorado anthropologist Craig T. Palmer have developed a new theory that rape is a complex sexual crime with strong roots in human evolution.
Moreover, contend Thornhill and Palmer, rape "prevention efforts will founder until they are based on the understanding that rape evolved as a form of male reproductive behavior."
"We have to get real about rape," Thornhill said in a recent interview.
The two scientists co-authored an article titled "Why Men Rape" in the current issue of the journal The Sciences. The journal is published by the New York Academy of Sciences.
Thornhill and Palmer are to expound on their research in an upcoming book, A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion, scheduled for release in April by MIT Press.
In the article, Thornhill and Palmer take aim at the prevailing societal notion that rape isn't about sex but about male power and is "a symptom of an unhealthy society in which men fear and disrespect women."
Palmer and Thornhill say some sociologists advance a view that, they think, incorrectly assumes that rape is "unnatural behavior that has nothing to do with sex and one that has no corollary in the animal world."
They counter that rape is part of the male mental sexual psyche; was at least part of a successful male reproductive strategy in human evolutionary history; and is strong enough to survive today despite strong social sanctions and legal penalties.
But they do not equate "natural" as good and agree that their public mission is to make rape extinct as a trait in human beings.
In an interview, Palmer said the article aims to convince "those who accept evolution but don't see it as applying to the brain and behavior and particularly the behavior of rape.
"We have to convince them that behavior, including sexual, evolved, just like our morphology and anatomy," he said. "The brain evolved along with the rest of the body."
Palmer said they aren't arguing that men who rape are "genetically predisposed to rape" or that there is a rape gene. Rather, they say that all males appear to be genetically capable of rape, and it is an act which can be triggered by environmental conditions or interactions in life.
The two scientists contend that current thinking about what causes rape is so bankrupt that it ignores the reality that by definition rape requires sexual arousal of the rapist.
Thornhill cites his own study of insects called scorpionflies, in which males are equipped with an appendage used solely to grab a female's forewing and prevent her escape during involuntary mating. The "rape clamp" is used when a male scorpionfly fails to attract a female through the alternative reproduction strategy of offering nuptial gifts, such as a dead insect.
Palmer said the argument actually might get greater acceptance among lay people than in some scientific quarters because people instinctively know that men and women are not just biologically different but think differently, have different sexual agendas or goals and "respond to certain behaviors in different ways."
"These differences are what lie at the basis of rape and what made it a possibility in our evolutionary history," he said.
The scientists say this broke a long tradition of professional journals' sidestepping the issue of rape's evolutionary underpinnings as being politically incorrect.
-----------------------proper.... nice rebuttal
I started off my post by saying that I love women, and have nothing against them and pointed out that females influences in my life were very positive...I did that for a reason, I am not hating on women and but I am talking in general.
I just think it's so sad that in this day and age, it's very hard for a smart, sucessfull man to find a woman of the same intelligence and poise.
And I am refering to women TODAY. In this day and age.
I think men are almost forced to disrespect women because of how they act. Obviously there's always exceptions to the rule, there's men who are just dicks and putting a woman down makes them feel good, and obvisouly there are great women who are called names for no reason...but Im saying, for a dude to hit a party and actually expect to get some ass...?...I think women are to blame. Like I said before men used to go to a club and expect a number maybe, because that's ALL women were willing to give...now, they are willing to spread their legs open, and then pop out ur seed, AND have the decency to call YOU an asshole after....hummm.
Back in the day if a dude even HINTED on anything sexual, he would get a smacked upside his head, stiletto on his hands and prolly some pepper spray if she had some in her purse...now if u hint how u wanna make her moan somewhere at the back or in his truck, she would smile seductively and in BEST cases maaaaaybe ask if u got a rubber on u. Am I not right?...Again, Im not saying all women are whores now-a-days but sure as hell somewhat hard to find urself a decent woman to marry and have children with.
Again, it's not all women's fault entierly. They do gain all this bullshit from the media which teaches them that's it's OK to do all these things. However, a PROPER woman will raise a PROPER woman. I grew up watching Madonna, who pretty much had sex on stage, and then Britney Spears came along...who I was (and still is) obsessed with, again she was very sexual for her age...my mother made SURE to sit down with me, and EXPLAIN to me that Madonna and Britney are entertainers, and just because Britney is on stage dancing in a bra...that does NOT make it ok for me to dress that way. Britney is an entertainer, YOU hunnie...are a regular girl and u cannot dress that way. My mother did her JOB of raising me. Why arent these women doing the same??? When Britney came out, I was 14 years old...vunrable age where I was arriving at womanhood, and never did I tried to portray what I saw on tv and videos because mamma taught me better.
BUT, of course the times have changed. When angry parents were raving about half naked Britney, now they have WAY more of a challange. Have any of u seen the 'Tip Drill' video by Nelly?...That one video, pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with women today, in my opinion.
coyoteblack
11-30-2008, 11:02 AM
I started off my post by saying that I love women, and have nothing against them and pointed out that females influences in my life were very positive...I did that for a reason, I am not hating on women and but I am talking in general.
I just think it's so sad that in this day and age, it's very hard for a smart, sucessfull man to find a woman of the same intelligence and poise.
And I am refering to women TODAY. In this day and age.
I think men are almost forced to disrespect women because of how they act. Obviously there's always exceptions to the rule, there's men who are just dicks and putting a woman down makes them feel good, and obvisouly there are great women who are called names for no reason...but Im saying, for a dude to hit a party and actually expect to get some ass...?...I think women are to blame. Like I said before men used to go to a club and expect a number maybe, because that's ALL women were willing to give...now, they are willing to spread their legs open, and then pop out ur seed, AND have the decency to call YOU an asshole after....hummm.
Back in the day if a dude even HINTED on anything sexual, he would get a smacked upside his head, stiletto on his hands and prolly some pepper spray if she had some in her purse...now if u hint how u wanna make her moan somewhere at the back or in his truck, she would smile seductively and in BEST cases maaaaaybe ask if u got a rubber on u. Am I not right?...Again, Im not saying all women are whores now-a-days but sure as hell somewhat hard to find urself a decent woman to marry and have children with.
Again, it's not all women's fault entierly. They do gain all this bullshit from the media which teaches them that's it's OK to do all these things. However, a PROPER woman will raise a PROPER woman. I grew up watching Madonna, who pretty much had sex on stage, and then Britney Spears came along...who I was (and still is) obsessed with, again she was very sexual for her age...my mother made SURE to sit down with me, and EXPLAIN to me that Madonna and Britney are entertainers, and just because Britney is on stage dancing in a bra...that does NOT make it ok for me to dress that way. Britney is an entertainer, YOU hunnie...are a regular girl and u cannot dress that way. My mother did her JOB of raising me. Why arent these women doing the same??? When Britney came out, I was 14 years old...vunrable age where I was arriving at womanhood, and never did I tried to portray what I saw on tv and videos because mamma taught me better.
BUT, of course the times have changed. When angry parents were raving about half naked Britney, now they have WAY more of a challange. Have any of u seen the 'Tip Drill' video by Nelly?...That one video, pretty much sums up everything that is wrong with women today, in my opinion.
Icey you make a whole lot of sense by touching on the media , parents role and how a woman should take responsibility on their behavior. To me its a give and take we should ask more of our women to care for themselves.. My uncles always told me to choose a girl you wanted to take home to your mother and take to your bed at night.. Keep each seperate.
My son his wife made him wait till they got married, she even proclaimed that she was a virgin.. At first I thought it was bull but after me and my wife got to know her I felt she was telling the truth. My Boy found a truly spiritual and smart young lady... No one in town (which Little Rock is not that big) could talk bad of this young lady.. I thought I would not run into a young lady of her caliber since my wife.... She was shocked by my son when she found out I was his father that he was the way he was (given my rep) a young gentleman (GOd I am glad I didn't screw him up)which I am so proud of...
I think it does start at home regardless of what the environment the girl is raised in she should be talked to and guided by stable parents or family members...
Icey nice post...
Keels
11-30-2008, 01:01 PM
we demoralize bitches
we treat women with respect
trust there is a difference
Supahead is a bitch
Keri Hilson is a woman
see the difference lol...
LukeKage
11-30-2008, 01:40 PM
yeah keels thanks 4 pointing that out. there is a difference between a bitch or ho and a real woman. People nowadays get those two mixed up, a lot of dudes tryin to make a ho into a housewife and it wont work. Get yourself a real female and stop messin' with these bitches
Yes Keels, but the whole point is that there ain't a lot of 'women' left these days to respect. More and more women are letting go of any morals and values they should have, and parents arent doing shit about it.
Im in NO way claiming to be the pefrect female. No matter how u well u raise ur kids they're gonna end up doing some stupid shit here and there, that's life. But again, I think it's sad that out of 97% chicks I knew in high school, at 22...I seem to be the only one with no kids and was never pregnant. I done did stupid shit in my life but shit in this day and age, I think Im quite alright. LOL
Thanks Coyote :)
Lovely
11-30-2008, 10:36 PM
This HOH (hard on hoes) movement dudes are pushing for 2008 is borderline homosexual.:shame:
Yes, exactly what I think !
j_da_que
11-30-2008, 10:59 PM
I don't know where you all live but where I live there are still plenty of good women to choose from. You just won't find them shakin their asses in the clubs every Friday night. Go to some grown folks shit like networking parties, gallery opening, wine tasting, etc. Some of you nuccas need to lock yourself in a room and just play E-40 for a whole weekend. Some females are just hoes. That's not demonizing women. That's just telling it like it is. I'm not going to look at the internet chick with her dental floss thong and ass in the camera the same way I look at a woman who is an attorney or something. Now, the attorney may be a closet ho, but at least she keep that ish in a closet where only her man can see it. The internet chick got her ho-tisity all over for the world to see.
And before you Save'em cats say something about "all internet chicks aint hoes", if it walk like a ho, act like a ho, it's a ho.
coyoteblack
11-30-2008, 11:02 PM
I don't know where you all live but where I live there are still plenty of good women to choose from. You just won't find them shakin their asses in the clubs every Friday night. Go to some grown folks shit like networking parties, gallery opening, wine tasting, etc. Some of you nuccas need to lock yourself in a room and just play E-40 for a whole weekend. Some females are just hoes. That's not demonizing women. That's just telling it like it is. I'm not going to look at the internet chick with her dental floss thong and ass in the camera the same way I look at a woman who is an attorney or something. Now, the attorney may be a closet ho, but at least she keep that ish in a closet where only her man can see it. The internet chick got her ho-tisity all over for the world to see.
And before you Save'em cats say something about "all internet chicks aint hoes", if it walk like a ho, act like a ho, it's a ho.Damn Santa Claus....
FuriouStylez
12-01-2008, 01:00 AM
we demoralize bitches
we treat women with respect
trust there is a difference
Supahead is a bitch
Keri Hilson is a woman
see the difference lol...
these dudes cant see the difference because theyre ready to turn every ho into a house wife and wonder why theyre left with a burning dick in the morning...
i guarentee 70% of these niccas would welcome superhead home with open arms and stick they tounge all down the bitches throat...
keep saving these hos, and ill keep playin these hos...
®eese
12-01-2008, 02:53 AM
these dudes cant see the difference because theyre ready to turn every ho into a house wife and wonder why theyre left with a burning dick in the morning...
i guarentee 70% of these niccas would welcome superhead home with open arms and stick they tounge all down the bitches throat...
keep saving these hos, and ill keep playin these hos...
:nod:
the circle of an african american life.
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 07:13 AM
:nod:
the circle of an african american life.we still have a long way to go.. hey we are getting there...
dathill2002
12-01-2008, 07:45 AM
these dudes cant see the difference because theyre ready to turn every ho into a house wife and wonder why theyre left with a burning dick in the morning...
i guarentee 70% of these niccas would welcome superhead home with open arms and stick they tounge all down the bitches throat...
keep saving these hos, and ill keep playin these hos...
:lol: What wrong with saving hos!!
Seriously though I do notice that some dudes on here be downing females on a regular basis real hard, and I'm not talking about just hos in particular. But they seem to have a distaste for the female gender in general regardless of their merit.
And some dudes be going in so hard on females to the point you wonder if they are displaying their insecurity(or closet homo tendencies:neutral:) or what. It must be the the lack of pussy in some dude's lives that have them foaming at the mouth like a dog just to talk all females down like that. Like it ain't a bunch of lost young dudes out here running around dick in hand doing dumb shit on a daily basis too.
Ain't nothing wrong with pointing out somebody's flaws, but there is an obvious lack of balance sometimes. Some of you dudes need an e-hug for real!!:lol: j/k
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 07:48 AM
:lol: What wrong with saving hos!!
Seriously though I do notice that some dudes on here be downing females on a regular basis real hard, and I'm not talking about just hos in particular. But they seem to have a distaste for the female gender in general regardless of their merit.
And some dudes be going in so hard on females to the point you wonder if they are displaying their insecurity(or closet homo tendencies:neutral:) or what. It must be the the lack of pussy in some dude's lives that have them foaming at the mouth like a dog just to talk all females down like that. Like it ain't a bunch of lost young dudes out here running around dick in hand doing dumb shit on a daily basis too.
Ain't nothing wrong with pointing out somebody's flaws, but there is an obvious lack of balance sometimes. Some of you dudes need an e-hug for real!!:lol: j/k
not bad........
:lol: What wrong with saving hos!!
Seriously though I do notice that some dudes on here be downing females on a regular basis real hard, and I'm not talking about just hos in particular. But they seem to have a distaste for the female gender in general regardless of their merit.
And some dudes be going in so hard on females to the point you wonder if they are displaying their insecurity(or closet homo tendencies:neutral:) or what. It must be the the lack of pussy in some dude's lives that have them foaming at the mouth like a dog just to talk all females down like that. Like it ain't a bunch of lost young dudes out here running around dick in hand doing dumb shit on a daily basis too.
Ain't nothing wrong with pointing out somebody's flaws, but there is an obvious lack of balance sometimes. Some of you dudes need an e-hug for real!!:lol: j/k
Be specific! Which dudes are going hard on females on a regular basis? Point 'em out so we can address them. :paddle:
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 09:29 AM
Be specific! Which dudes are going hard on females on a regular basis? Point 'em out so we can address them. :paddle:
:lmao: :lmao:
dathill2002
12-01-2008, 09:43 AM
Be specific! Which dudes are going hard on females on a regular basis? Point 'em out so we can address them. :paddle:
Hey guy, if the shoes fit then tie your laces up and walk in 'em like you are proud.:D And yeah sLam, you one of the dudes I was looking at with a squinted eye trying to figure out what was really going on.:think:
I was reading some of those posts in that other thread where we were going at it and wondering what was your true motivation. You seemed to have a bloodthirsty zeal to go in at the females on occasion. Tell us something nice about a female for once.......this is cutiecentral right?
I think we all are aware about the dangers of dealing with shiesty dirt-dealing smuts. Who in here can make a thread about something positive about a woman or at least go at some dudes on a negative tip the same way?
The male bravado some guys show in here goes to the extreme. That shit isn't classy at all fellas.
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 09:59 AM
Hey guy, if the shoes fit then tie your laces up and walk in 'em like you are proud.:D And yeah sLam, you one of the dudes I was looking at with a squinted eye trying to figure out what was really going on.:think:
I was reading some of those posts in that other thread where we were going at it and wondering what was your true motivation. You seemed to have a bloodthirsty zeal to go in at the females on occasion. Tell us something nice about a female for once.......this is cutiecentral right?
I think we all are aware about the dangers of dealing with shiesty dirt-dealing smuts. Who in here can make a thread about something positive about a woman or at least go at some dudes on a negative tip the same way?
The male bravado some guys show in here goes to the extreme. That shit isn't classy at all fellas.:popcorn:
Hey guy, if the shoes fit then tie your laces up and walk in 'em like you are proud.:D And yeah sLam, you one of the dudes I was looking at with a squinted eye trying to figure out what was really going on.:think:
I was reading some of those posts in that other thread where we were going at it and wondering what was your true motivation. You seemed to have a bloodthirsty zeal to go in at the females on occasion. Tell us something nice about a female for once.......this is cutiecentral right?
I think we all are aware about the dangers of dealing with shiesty dirt-dealing smuts. Who in here can make a thread about something positive about a woman or at least go at some dudes on a negative tip the same way?
The male bravado some guys show in here goes to the extreme. That shit isn't classy at all fellas.
It's easy to say nice things about females but nobody really gives a shit. Just like nobody would watch the news if all it showed was positive events. As humans, we naturally thrive on negativity. It's not like women routinely speak positive about men.
I just call it how I see it. Unless somebody is making shit up about them, then I don't see how it's "downing" them. If the shit I said is true, then I'm not downing or degrading them...they've already downed and degraded themselves from their actions. You said going hard at females is borderline homo? What do you call the men who kiss these hoes' ass, give them all their money, obey her every command, and basically just allow themselves to be controled by women? They may not be homo but that damn sure isn't the behavior of a real man.
I didn't start a thread to put down women. The way I see it is men dog women and women dog men! Ok we're even. Why the fuck do women need laws to help them dog men even more? That's where I was going with my topic.
dathill2002
12-01-2008, 10:40 AM
It's easy to say nice things about females but nobody really gives a shit. Just like nobody would watch the news if all it showed was positive events. As humans, we naturally thrive on negativity. It's not like women routinely speak positive about men.
I just call it how I see it. Unless somebody is making shit up about them, then I don't see how it's "downing" them. If the shit I said is true, then I'm not downing or degrading them...they've already downed and degraded themselves from their actions. You said going hard at females is borderline homo? What do you call the men who kiss these hoes' ass, give them all their money, obey her every command, and basically just allow themselves to be controled by women? They may not be homo but that damn sure isn't the behavior of a real man.
I didn't start a thread to put down women. The way I see it is men dog women and women dog men! Ok we're even. Why the fuck do women need laws to help them dog men even more? That's where I was going with my topic.
OK, I can cosign that sentiment. Human nature is prone to notice negativity.
But I did notice when I said in the other thread I didn't have a problem with current divorce laws, you made a point to argue on to say basically in so many words "women are grimy using divorce laws to their advantage" and "simp n*ggas need protection from themselves because grimy hoes will take half". My basic stance was so what if a man(or a woman) is dumb enough to get married to someone unsavory and ends up having to give up half of their stuff.
Then somehow, you started throwing something out about women being not equal to men intellectually. Which makes me wonder what was your real motivation for that "go hard" thread.:think: Your premise didn't seem to be about divorce laws being unfair at all, only that females were getting over and that was unacceptable. But no protests came from you about dudes getting over using the same laws.
So champ I'm calling it like I see it. It gave the impression you got some female issues for calling out the women, but not the simp ass dudes.
From now on, how about you just keep it fair and balanced like FOX news there guy.:lol:
Keels
12-01-2008, 10:53 AM
tell em JD lol
and everything is wrong wit saving hos
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 10:59 AM
Let me jump in for minute.. Laws are slanted more towards a woman due to the long history of how women have been treated. They are perceived to be weaker and tend to be more protected (the white knight syndrome).. I don't see them as weak but as equal and capable as men...
Yet I due feel that they should all be given an ounce of respect due to the fact what they stand for life..
In measure you have to earn respect by your behavior and yes some are hard to respect for their actions but that doesn't excuse our behavior towards them..
I guy can have sex with as many girls as he wants, he in term is given more respect than the girl he just had sex with... A man will pay for sex and yet he is given more respect to the woman who served him.... what about the guy who had sex with a married woman in the bathroom is anyone harassing him? No, he is a hero... In some ways guys who damn these same girls they call hos profane their presence is honoring them for their hustle and they are the one's getting hustled...
Slam you have been consistent in your criticism in this matter it's not the case that woman are hos, but the unequal treatment of the sexist (you advocate the rights of the male) So that's my defense of you but there are others who do go out of their way, to put woman down.. Finding ways to seem far more superior than they are, this shows weakness in someways. I am not saying take a ho and make her a wife you can't but don't turn every woman you see into one..
Not all will agree with me but I think about the women in my family, how would you want them treated...
OK, I can cosign that sentiment. Human nature is prone to notice negativity.
But I did notice when I said in the other thread I didn't have a problem with current divorce laws, you made a point to argue on to say basically in so many words "women are grimy using divorce laws to their advantage" and "simp n*ggas need protection from themselves because grimy hoes will take half". My basic stance was so what if a man(or a woman) is dumb enough to get married to someone unsavory and ends up having to give up half of their stuff.
Then somehow, you started throwing something out about women being not equal to men intellectually. Which makes me wonder what was your real motivation for that "go hard" thread.:think: Your premise didn't seem to be about divorce laws being unfair at all, only that females were getting over and that was unacceptable. But no protests came from you about dudes getting over using the same laws.
So champ I'm calling it like I see it. It gave the impression you got some female issues for calling out the women, but not the simp ass dudes.
From now on, how about you just keep it fair and balanced like FOX news there guy.:lol:
How many dudes do you think are getting over on women by using divorce laws? Compared to the amount of women getting over using those laws the # of men is negligible. How can it be a balanced argument if 99.5% of the problem lies with the women?
I said numerous times that I didn't consider women to be less intelligent than men. I don't know why you keep trying to pin that on me. I elaborated on every statement I made.
Let me jump in for minute.. Laws are slanted more towards a woman due to the long history of how women have been treated. They are perceived to be weaker and tend to be more protected (the white knight syndrome).. I don't see them as weak but as equal and capable as men...
Yet I due feel that they should all be given an ounce of respect due to the fact what they stand for life..
In measure you have to earn respect by your behavior and yes some are hard to respect for their actions but that doesn't excuse our behavior towards them..
I guy can have sex with as many girls as he wants, he in term is given more respect than the girl he just had sex with... A man will pay for sex and yet he is given more respect to the woman who served him.... what about the guy who had sex with a married woman in the bathroom is anyone harassing him? No, he is a hero... In some ways guys who damn these same girls they call hos profane their presence is honoring them for their hustle and they are the one's getting hustled...
Slam you have been consistent in your criticism in this matter it's not the case that woman are hos, but the unequal treatment of the sexist (you advocate the rights of the male) So that's my defense of you but there are others who do go out of their way, to put woman down.. Finding ways to seem far more superior than they are, this shows weakness in someways. I am not saying take a ho and make her a wife you can't but don't turn every woman you see into one..
Not all will agree with me but I think about the women in my family, how would you want them treated...
If you see women as equal and as capable as men then you must support changing the divorce laws and all other laws that are biased towards women. If women are truly equal then they don't need biased laws! Right??!
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 11:29 AM
If you see women as equal and as capable as men then you must support changing the divorce laws and all other laws that are biased towards women. If women are truly equal then they don't need biased laws! Right??!
That is debatable.. the divorce laws.. yeah I do agree with you on that one, without arguments, even a few abortion laws when it begrudges on the rights of the father..
That is debatable.. the divorce laws.. yeah I do agree with you on that one, without arguments, even a few abortion laws when it begrudges on the rights of the father..
:lmao: How is it debatable?
Lets say I want to compete in the 100m in the 2012 London Olympics. My 100m time is 13.23 (just making up something). Usain Bolt is running almost 9 sec flat. So the IOC decides that something must be done so that I have an equal opportunity to win and they give me a 40m headstart. So lets say I actually win the race, do I deserve the Gold medal and the same respect as Usain Bolt? Can I run around and tell everyone that I'm an equal sprinter/athlete to Usain and that I deserve equal amounts of respect? If I'm so equal shouldn't I have started at the same starting point that he did??
That is the situation with women today. They claim they're equal but they have so many "headstarts" in the form of laws favoring them. There is nothing to debate. If they're equal, lets ditch the laws. Otherwise, they need to shut the fuck up about claiming they're equal to men. End of Story.
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 12:39 PM
Okay if you want to put it that way.... Take a professional boxer male put him up against another boxer female.. No matter how good she is, you wouldn't really put her in a ring up against him it wouldn't be fair..(hypothetical) And if you did the rules would change to favor her(because physically she is not as strong as he is) skill my match but classification is different.. You have females in the military do you think they are as equal in combat as you? Just wondering, they have the same training or is it different than yours, is the bar set lower for their measure of success..... They are just as capable as we are, they are equal to us in a lot of ways but in some ways they are not, as we are not equal to them in a lot of ways..
Hey slam you make a good argument. damn convincing but there are all sides...
I am not ready to be converted......
On the other hand I don't think you hate women(don't let that slip out)
Fight on,Viva la man power!!!!!:lmao: :lmao:
Okay if you want to put it that way.... Take a professional boxer male put him up against another boxer female.. No matter how good she is, you wouldn't really put her in a ring up against him it wouldn't be fair..(hypothetical) And if you did the rules would change to favor her(because physically she is not as strong as he is) skill my match but classification is different.. You have females in the military do you think they are as equal in combat as you? Just wondering, they have the same training or is it different than yours, is the bar set lower for their measure of success..... They are just as capable as we are, they are equal to us in a lot of ways but in some ways they are not, as we are not equal to them in a lot of ways..
Hey slam you make a good argument. damn convincing but there are all sides...
I am not ready to be converted......
On the other hand I don't think you hate women(don't let that slip out)
Fight on,Viva la man power!!!!!:lmao: :lmao:
Your male/female boxer analogy doesn't apply unless that female boxer is claiming to be equal to that male boxer. If she is claiming that she is equal then yeah, let her get her ass beat.
Want to talk about women in the military? oookkaaayyy....
In the early 1990s, the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces decided, based on the evidence the commission gathered, women don't belong in combat. This commission was comprised of men and women, professionals, who came to this conclusion based on professional knowledge and expertise in their individual fields. I agree with them for numerous reasons. This will be long, and maybe a bit disorganized, but here are the reasons on which I agree.
As a practical matter, 99 percent of women are unsuited for combat, and that includes flying combat aircraft and serving on combatant ships. That women do these things doesn't mean they should, it just means the military has been feminized and civilianized, this is how the majority of military men feel about it when they are able to speak candidly about it. However, in our ever growing PC world, speaking candidly and having an opinion which will offend any portion of our population, must be kept to themselves while in a work environment. Their advancement in their job depends on their playing the PC role, especially officers. In presentations to the commission however, military officers, including those who have women serving with them in aviation, were clear on one thing, women did not belong in combat roles.
The evidence showed women lack the necessary physical prowess. The strongest woman recruit, generally, is only as strong as the weakest man. Given that the services try to weed out the weakest men, it's counterproductive to recruit even the strongest women. And our volunteer military, remember, doesn't get the strongest women, it gets average women. (I'll come back to this, but I am leading into more about aviation, since that keeps getting brought up as a defense for women's success in combat roles)
Women also suffer higher rates of bone fractures, (documented by military medicine) and other factors such as menstruation (have you ever thought of the nighmare of dealing with feminine protection....out in the field?)pregnancy and aging mitigate against recruiting women as combat soldiers. The 20-something woman, for instance, has about the same lungpower as the 50-something man. But, we are talking about ground combat here, which I'll get back to.
So, that might be true for ground combat, many insist, but surely they can fly jets and bombers. Again, untrue. Flying high-performance jets requires incredible conditioning and strength, particularly in the neck. Top Gun fighter pilots told the commission (and news reports later confirmed) that unqualified lady pilots routinely passed Naval flight training. At that time at least, officers were rated on the number of women they promoted. The result in one case? Kara Hultgreen, the first woman to "qualify" flying an F-14, was killed when her jet crashed because she couldn't land it on the carrier Abraham Lincoln. The findings after the accident confirmed, she hit a snag which her lack of physical strength could not overcome. A man would have landed the aircraft sucessfully. But let's suppose women fly jets as well as men. What happens when one is shot down? The safety of the high-tech ****pit is gone, and she is alone on the ground, trying to survive. Would her male counterpart have a better chance at survival? An 80% better chance studies showed. How successful have women been as combat aircraft pilots? As successful as those promoting the agenda of their being there want you to think they are. So, back to the F-14 pilot, can we justify the loss of a 38 million dollar aircraft because a woman wanted the chance to fly it? Remember, her lack of physical strength as a woman downed it. Oh, and cost her life. But, she got to be a woman F-14 pilot!
Now, lets talk about the ship, if women aren't suited for ground combat, they certainly can serve on combat ships. Sure, they can. If you take away close quarters, months at sea, oh, and 1500 horny sailors. No matter what the Navy says about its "leadership" correcting carnal temptations, it has been a continuing issue shipboard. Not to mention sexual favors being exchanged for work. On top of that, the Navy has dealt with numerous sexual harrassment cases. Sailors are being sailors, and the women shipboard are complaining. Or sailors are crossing lines, and the women are paying the price. Whatever-the-case, this has cost the Navy time and money to address. Which if women weren't on the ships in the first place, would be a non-issue. The strength deficit surfaces again in many shipboard tasks too numerous to mention here. But, if women cannot physically do the job shipboard, do they even belong there? (completely aside from the sex issue) The report of the early 90s addressed these issues as they had already been a problem on non-combat ships, where women had been serving.
On to training, which is another area where the women fall flat. They cannot survive the same basic training as men, so it is "gender-normed." That means the services (and military academies) have different standards for women than for men, and not just for hair length. If women were held to the same standards as men, then more than 14 percent of our armed forces would not be women. And, they could not attend the academies. Oddly enough, the feminists say that scrapping the double standard would be discriminatory! So much for judging someone on her true merit.
In the decade since the commission heard tons of testimony on these points, nothing has changed unless women have evolved markedly improved muscle and bone.
In reply to these unassailable facts, some suggest some women can meet the same standards with the proper weight training and physical-fitness regimen. That's a stretch, but let's say a few can. That takes us back to the weakest man vs. the strongest woman. What standard would these few meet? The lowest among the men? Even if they fell among men of medium strength, consider the prohibitive cost of selecting these Amazonian anomalies from among general population. And finding them assumes they want to be found.
One unfortunate point is, women get by in the military only because of men. As one internet blogger observed, the equipment one man carries into combat is nearly as heavy, perhaps heavier, than Jessica Lynch. Lynch and women her size do not have the strength to carry a fallen 200-pound comrade out of harm's way. Forgetting about combat, some women aircraft mechanics need men to lift their toolboxes. Without men, the armed forces would collapse, and the more women the military enlists, the weaker it becomes.
As one commissioner remarked in exasperation: "Women are not little men, and men are not big women."
That leaves the moral and social questions, which commission member and Vietnam War hero Ron Ray addressed with this remark: "The question isn't whether women can do, it's whether they should do it."
Women should only be used in combat, Ray argued, if national survival demands it; i.e., when the Indians are circling the ranch and the men are dead and wounded. Even then, using women would be a last resort. It would not become a policy. Such an emergency isn't likely to happen here. Should it happen here, oh yeah, we know all the women will be fighting.
The moral and social argument is one of "rights" vs. what is right. The feminists claim combat service is a "right." A battlefield is not a boardroom, a courtroom or an operating room, and the contrary notion is hyperegalitarianism rooted in feminist fantasies that women "will have made it" when they have commanded troops in battle. Women do not have a "right" to serve. Military service for volunteers is a privilege, for draftees, it is a duty. No one has a "right" to serve, a civilian idea equivalent to having the "right" to be a doctor or lawyer that has no place in the military, whose principal purpose is to kill the enemy and destroy his capacity to fight. Sociologically, physically, and mentally, men are the ones designed to accomplish this purpose. Why? Well here we go.....
Because turning a woman into the kind of person who views such gore without blinking an eye, or who participates in the wanton killing war requires, is a step down to pagan barbarism and cultural suicide. In some sense, given what we've seen in the Gulf, we've already taken that step. But some won't quit until they get women into ground combat units. As recent events prove, no one seems to care what all this means not only culturally but also psychologically.
It will require training men and women to regard the brutalization of women, and a woman's brutalization of others, as normal and acceptable. To train the men properly, a woman commissioner observed, we must erase everything their mothers taught them about chivalry; i.e., that a real man protects a woman from harm. Instead, they must be trained to brain a woman with a pugil stick in training. This truth raises two paradoxes.
To Be Continued...
On one hand, to completely desensitize the men, such training would be required. But the feminists don't want that because women can't meet the same standards as men; they won't survive it. Yet how are these women to survive combat if they cannot survive real, not gender-normed, basic training? The men would have to protect them. Successfully integrating women in combat means this, a soldier must forget that a woman is a woman. Impossible. And if it is possible, how then does a man separate their ideas of women not really being treated as women on the battlefield, but as women in civilian life. Doesn't war take a large enough mental toll without adding an additional burden of figuring out how to handle that?
On the other hand, while folks never stop the finger-wagging about "domestic abuse," they importune us to inure men to the wartime abuse of women. Again, to some degree, we're already there. The capture and torture of Jessica Lynch and Shoshana Johnson, the single mother, was just another day in the war. But then again, the society that sent these young women to war is the same one that has steroidally-fortified men and women bashing each other senseless in television's faux wrestling, which presents the illusion that women really can fight against men, as well as preposterous movies about women Navy SEALS, or women who receive the Medal of Honor while the men cower in fear. It's a joke, and the joke is mainly on the American public....and is a slap in the face to everything that we are as a country, hell, even as human beings.
Lastly, assigning women to combat, or even combat support units like the 507th, purposely subjects them to trials and tribulations for which nature has not prepared them. Such assignments endanger not only the women but also the men around them, who will redirect their attention from fighting toward protecting or helping the women. Men will do that because they are men, because regardless of feminist propaganda, good parents teach their sons about chivalry and honor. Women who "demand equality" don't like it, but it's true nonetheless. Thus, men will die unnecessarily. That is as immoral and unjust, as is ordering married men and women to live in close quarters where they are tempted to adultery. The entire idea is ludicrous and a negative idea for the direction our country.
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 01:28 PM
Good read slam and I do agree with you on a woman's role in the military.. That is way I said this, "They are just as capable as we are, they are equal to us in a lot of ways but in some ways they are not, as we are not equal to them in a lot of ways." I even say that about the police and fire dept.. (I don't like to see a woman put in harms way)... Is this fair? No....
Equality does not translate to both sexes equally.. nice rebuttal...
Queeny
12-01-2008, 01:51 PM
You cant respect someone who has no respect for themselves. Women nowadays have lost any bit of FEMININITY, morals, values, & all taht was once considered proper of a woman. ALL women do nowadays is spread their legs in hopes of marrying an old rich idiot who will die & leave them a billion dollars behind, or just find a random dude who will fuck them bareback and get a damn baby out to get child support forever. WHAT is there to respect. Its true that there are few MEN left but honestly there are even fewer women. ANd it makes me SOO mad bc one of the main reasons all this nonsense occurs is because US WOMEN do it to each other. I wont get itno that now. no time. when i come back AHAHAHA
You cant respect someone who has no respect for themselves. Women nowadays have lost any bit of FEMININITY, morals, values, & all taht was once considered proper of a woman. ALL women do nowadays is spread their legs in hopes of marrying an old rich idiot who will die & leave them a billion dollars behind, or just find a random dude who will fuck them bareback and get a damn baby out to get child support forever. WHAT is there to respect. Its true that there are few MEN left but honestly there are even fewer women. ANd it makes me SOO mad bc one of the main reasons all this nonsense occurs is because US WOMEN do it to each other. I wont get itno that now. no time. when i come back AHAHAHA
You're right, women these days are rejecting their femininity (this hasn't quite spread to Latin cultures yet). I've thought about why women would want to 'unsex' themselves for a while. I'm guessing that since women now have the freedom to do as they please, they view doing typical feminine things as taking a step back towards the days they were oppressed and that's all they were allowed to do. Once they were given rights they had a chip on their shoulder and felt like they needed to prove to men (and to themselves) that they can do everything men can do. Masses of women set out to be men (some even made themselves look like men). We all know the saying "the grass looks greener on the other side" and I think that definitely applies here. Women envied all the things they saw men accomplishing and felt as though those accomplishments were better than the traditional accomplishments of women.
No longer did they find it important to care for a husband and a family. No, a college degree and a career became priority #1. They also decided they had no needs for a boyfriend/relationships because they must prove their independence of men. If she doesn't have a steady boyfriend that means she's going to have to get sex from random men. Woohoo! This is fun...until the condom pops and she's pregnant. Pregnant by a guy who she probably only knew for a few drunken hours and she actually expects him to stick around and help raise the kid? He doesn't care anymore about her than she does about him.
Perhaps she doesn't get pregnant and continues on her school/career path. All is well right up until she hits about 28. Now that biological clocks is telling her it's time to have a kid. She's been rejecting relationships and slutting herself out all over town so good luck finding a good respectable man that wants to settle down with her. Nah, she has to resort to getting knocked up by some deadbeat dude that's willing to fuck anything. Mr. Deadbeat probably isn't going to helpout much with the kid so she has to continue to work to support herself and her baby. The kid gets to grow up with virtually no parenting and joins a gang and starts his criminal record.
In the end she's a bitter old hag with a deep hatred for men and nothing to show for but maybe a college degree and a career that chances are she grew to hate.
I view a woman that has her husband's back and raises successful children higher than a woman with a Master's degree but kids who are dead or locked up. Yeah, the tradional woman may or may not have a college degree and a fancy career but her efforts do not go unnoticed when you look at how she has held together a family and made sure her children succeeded.
I've said men and women are not equal. But I never said men and women are not both equally important. One look at the state of our society and how the family structure is crumbling will tell you just how important a woman's role is. As women continue to reject that role, society will continue to suffer.
Of course men are not perfect and have a lot to do with the current state of things. However, there does seem to be more men out there willing to be real men and handle their business than women out there willing to be real women. Just my two cents...
Queeny
12-01-2008, 03:16 PM
No longer did they find it important to care for a husband and a family. No, a college degree and a career became priority #1. They also decided they had no needs for a boyfriend/relationships because they must prove their independence of men. If she doesn't have a steady boyfriend that means she's going to have to get sex from random men. Woohoo! This is fun...until the condom pops and she's pregnant. Pregnant by a guy who she probably only knew for a few drunken hours and she actually expects him to stick around and help raise the kid? He doesn't care anymore about her than she does about him.
I view a woman that has her husband's back and raises successful children higher than a woman with a Master's degree but kids who are dead or locked up. Yeah, the tradional woman may or may not have a college degree and a fancy career but her efforts do not go unnoticed when you look at how she has held together a family and made sure her children succeeded.
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Agreed completely. This whole 'equal rights' business has gotten out of hand where gender and family are concerned. Women have become SO damn busy with their masters and bachelors and all that bullshit that raising children is something that they do not have 'time' for. How can a woman, as a FEMALE, with NATURAL INSTINCTS to bear children, be more focused on a career than a husband and children? It might sound ridiculous to some women reading this, but seriously, i could not feel any sense of accomplishment with a bunch of degrees and a job making 500000$ a year, having a big fancy house and ten thousand villas in europe if my children were being raised by random people and my husband felt neglected. I'd be more than happy making $50,000 a year with a simple job that would allow for me to take care of my husband and children.
Today's society seems to have lost ALL ideas of right and wrong. What happened to women being WOMEN???? Taking care o themselves, their family... what happened to DRESSING and LOOKING and ACTING like a woman?? Honestly bothers me. Then females wonder why we are constantly disrespected and ridiculed by men. How are men NOT going to disrespect us when we disrespect ourselves and each other?? It's sickening and it makes my blood boil. :veryshocked:
say what you want or call me what you want, but i prefer a traditional relationship over this equal relationship garbage anyday. At least in a traditional relationship you have a sense of men and women, who is who. And what REALLY gets me going is that women today think they are more respected. Really and truly though, women were waaaaay more respected before this equality shit came along. Sure, degrees and diplomas are making us more respected in the workplace, but as people and as wives and mothers- we have reached an ultimate low in disrespect and degrading
coyoteblack
12-01-2008, 03:35 PM
You're right, women these days are rejecting their femininity (this hasn't quite spread to Latin cultures yet). I've thought about why women would want to 'unsex' themselves for a while. I'm guessing that since women now have the freedom to do as they please, they view doing typical feminine things as taking a step back towards the days they were oppressed and that's all they were allowed to do. Once they were given rights they had a chip on their shoulder and felt like they needed to prove to men (and to themselves) that they can do everything men can do. Masses of women set out to be men (some even made themselves look like men). We all know the saying "the grass looks greener on the other side" and I think that definitely applies here. Women envied all the things they saw men accomplishing and felt as though those accomplishments were better than the traditional accomplishments of women.
No longer did they find it important to care for a husband and a family. No, a college degree and a career became priority #1. They also decided they had no needs for a boyfriend/relationships because they must prove their independence of men. If she doesn't have a steady boyfriend that means she's going to have to get sex from random men. Woohoo! This is fun...until the condom pops and she's pregnant. Pregnant by a guy who she probably only knew for a few drunken hours and she actually expects him to stick around and help raise the kid? He doesn't care anymore about her than she does about him.
Perhaps she doesn't get pregnant and continues on her school/career path. All is well right up until she hits about 28. Now that biological clocks is telling her it's time to have a kid. She's been rejecting relationships and slutting herself out all over town so good luck finding a good respectable man that wants to settle down with her. Nah, she has to resort to getting knocked up by some deadbeat dude that's willing to fuck anything. Mr. Deadbeat probably isn't going to helpout much with the kid so she has to continue to work to support herself and her baby. The kid gets to grow up with virtually no parenting and joins a gang and starts his criminal record.
In the end she's a bitter old hag with a deep hatred for men and nothing to show for but maybe a college degree and a career that chances are she grew to hate.
I view a woman that has her husband's back and raises successful children higher than a woman with a Master's degree but kids who are dead or locked up. Yeah, the tradional woman may or may not have a college degree and a fancy career but her efforts do not go unnoticed when you look at how she has held together a family and made sure her children succeeded.
I've said men and women are not equal. But I never said men and women are not both equally important. One look at the state of our society and how the family structure is crumbling will tell you just how important a woman's role is. As women continue to reject that role, society will continue to suffer.
Of course men are not perfect and have a lot to do with the current state of things. However, there does seem to be more men out there willing to be real men and handle their business than women out there willing to be real women. Just my two cents...
agreed
FuriouStylez
12-01-2008, 04:56 PM
who the fuck comes on an internet forum to read all that bullshit?
you cats are insane...
Because Im way too lazy (and sick) to quote ya'll...Im just gonna say I agree with Queeny and sLam.
The funny thing is that I used to be one of those women. I didnt want marriage, or kids...I wanted a career. And my smart mother always looked at me and laughed...and said "When you find a man you LOVE, then ALL you'll want is marriage and kids and it WILL become ur #1 priority." and I laughed.
And who's laughing now? My mamma. LOL. So she was right. Ladies just listen to ur moms and call it a day lol.
dathill2002
12-02-2008, 02:08 AM
No longer did they find it important to care for a husband and a family. No, a college degree and a career became priority #1. They also decided they had no needs for a boyfriend/relationships because they must prove their independence of men. If she doesn't have a steady boyfriend that means she's going to have to get sex from random men. Woohoo! This is fun...until the condom pops and she's pregnant. Pregnant by a guy who she probably only knew for a few drunken hours and she actually expects him to stick around and help raise the kid? He doesn't care anymore about her than she does about him.
Perhaps she doesn't get pregnant and continues on her school/career path. All is well right up until she hits about 28. Now that biological clocks is telling her it's time to have a kid. She's been rejecting relationships and slutting herself out all over town so good luck finding a good respectable man that wants to settle down with her. Nah, she has to resort to getting knocked up by some deadbeat dude that's willing to fuck anything. Mr. Deadbeat probably isn't going to helpout much with the kid so she has to continue to work to support herself and her baby. The kid gets to grow up with virtually no parenting and joins a gang and starts his criminal record.
In the end she's a bitter old hag with a deep hatred for men and nothing to show for but maybe a college degree and a career that chances are she grew to hate.
I view a woman that has her husband's back and raises successful children higher than a woman with a Master's degree but kids who are dead or locked up. Yeah, the tradional woman may or may not have a college degree and a fancy career but her efforts do not go unnoticed when you look at how she has held together a family and made sure her children succeeded.
I've said men and women are not equal. But I never said men and women are not both equally important. One look at the state of our society and how the family structure is crumbling will tell you just how important a woman's role is. As women continue to reject that role, society will continue to suffer.
Of course men are not perfect and have a lot to do with the current state of things. However, there does seem to be more men out there willing to be real men and handle their business than women out there willing to be real women. Just my two cents...
For the record sLam I can agree with a lot of your points. I don't know you enough to really believe you really are biased against women for whatever reason. I just said you give off the appearance of being so.
And I'm not just pointing the finger at you, but what I said also includes other guys on and off the internet too. Too many guys are running around dissing the females, but yet there are still all these single parents running around(kids with no fathers). What's that about?:paddle: For every ho getting pregnant, there is a guy hitting that as well.
Your quote explains what my argument was about. Either you think stuff is fair because there is a fair tradeoff. Or you think stuff is unfair because you believe one gender is getting over on the other more(males/females equally doing each other dirty).
But how is a woman more valued for raising children and supporting a husband, but yet she is wrong if she can get half if her and her husband get a divorce? What kind of a life you think you will lead on your own after a divorce if you don't place a priority on career and education for yourself during your marriage? But then you are saying a woman is better valued for investing her time in her family? What is she supposed to do after the fact if she isn't entitled to anything when she put her husband's needs before her own? Good intentions and selling your own self short don't pay bills champ.
In the meantime, how do you figure there are more guys out there handling their business compared to women, when there are so many deadbeat dudes running around also getting women pregnant as well?
My personal take is both genders have a lack of general respect for each other. This is why marriage is failing as an institution. Both side don't keep it 100 and we don't invest in each other at all. We commoditize each other to the point where basically to succeed in life is to get over on the other person. I personally think masculinity is in jeopardy just as well as femininity these days.
dathill2002
12-02-2008, 02:18 AM
tell em JD lol
and everything is wrong wit saving hos
:laugh:
For the record sLam I can agree with a lot of your points. I don't know you enough to really believe you really are biased against women for whatever reason. I just said you give off the appearance of being so.
And I'm not just pointing the finger at you, but what I said also includes other guys on and off the internet too. Too many guys are running around dissing the females, but yet there are still all these single parents running around(kids with no fathers). What's that about?:paddle: For every ho getting pregnant, there is a guy hitting that as well.
Your quote explains what my argument was about. Either you think stuff is fair because there is a fair tradeoff. Or you think stuff is unfair because you believe one gender is getting over on the other more(males/females equally doing each other dirty).
But how is a woman more valued for raising children and supporting a husband, but yet she is wrong if she can get half if her and her husband get a divorce? What kind of a life you think you will lead on your own after a divorce if you don't place a priority on career and education for yourself during your marriage? But then you are saying a woman is better valued for investing her time in her family? What is she supposed to do after the fact if she isn't entitled to anything when she put her husband's needs before her own? Good intentions and selling your own self short don't pay bills champ.
In the meantime, how do you figure there are more guys out there handling their business compared to women, when there are so many deadbeat dudes running around also getting women pregnant as well?
My personal take is both genders have a lack of general respect for each other. This is why marriage is failing as an institution. Both side don't keep it 100 and we don't invest in each other at all. We commoditize each other to the point where basically to succeed in life is to get over on the other person. I personally think masculinity is in jeopardy just as well as femininity these days.
I've already commented on the fathers. Around what timeframe was there a sudden surge of men not wanting to stick around and be fathers? Hhhmm could it be the same timeframe when women decided they didn't need boyfriends and husbands and were just going to fuck random men to prove their independence?? You don't think that has a lot to do with the lack of good fathers? It's natural for men to spread their seed around to as many women as possible. That is ingrained into our psyche to ensure that we will have successful offspring.
It is not natural for a woman to not emotionally attach herself to a man before allowing herself to be impregnated. If it was natural for women to do that none of us would be here right now. The human race would've died off a long time ago because the women would've died off. A woman couldn't survive (especially with a child) without a man to protect her and provide for her. It was absolutely vital that she established a connection with him so that he would stick around after getting her pregnant. That's why still today women have a stronger emotional attachment to sex than men do (their very survival used to depend on it).
Again, men running around impregnating girls is nothing new! Men have always wanted to do that. The thing that has changed is that now women are allowing themselves to be impregnated with no strings attached.
If a woman actually values her husband and family then the chances of a divorce drops (especially if he equally values her)! Less women would have to face the problem of "what do I do after the divorce" because there would be less divorces! Part of the reason the divorce rate is so high now is because women do not care about anything but themselves! So naturally with an attitude like that, the thought of divorce and getting even more money to spend on herself is very enticing.
dathill2002
12-02-2008, 05:45 AM
I've already commented on the fathers. Around what timeframe was there a sudden surge of men not wanting to stick around and be fathers? Hhhmm could it be the same timeframe when women decided they didn't need boyfriends and husbands and were just going to fuck random men to prove their independence?? You don't think that has a lot to do with the lack of good fathers? It's natural for men to spread their seed around to as many women as possible. That is ingrained into our psyche to ensure that we will have successful offspring.
It is not natural for a woman to not emotionally attach herself to a man before allowing herself to be impregnated. If it was natural for women to do that none of us would be here right now. The human race would've died off a long time ago because the women would've died off. A woman couldn't survive (especially with a child) without a man to protect her and provide for her. It was absolutely vital that she established a connection with him so that he would stick around after getting her pregnant. That's why still today women have a stronger emotional attachment to sex than men do (their very survival used to depend on it).
Again, men running around impregnating girls is nothing new! Men have always wanted to do that. The thing that has changed is that now women are allowing themselves to be impregnated with no strings attached.
If a woman actually values her husband and family then the chances of a divorce drops (especially if he equally values her)! Less women would have to face the problem of "what do I do after the divorce" because there would be less divorces! Part of the reason the divorce rate is so high now is because women do not care about anything but themselves! So naturally with an attitude like that, the thought of divorce and getting even more money to spend on herself is very enticing.
SMH Really?
So basically it's a woman's fault for being a ho and getting pregnant, but it's not a man's fault for taking the pussy? Men have already been running around getting random chicks pregnant since however long, but somehow they don't play a part into why shit is the way it is now?:krazy: Men didn't just decide recently to start being absent fathers.
Where did you mention the deadbeat fathers? I've seen paragraphs on the women, but scant words on the men.
So your solution is we should get rid of biased divorce laws that help women(and men), and we should expect a woman to put a premium on family and nothing career/education wise for herself? And then that woman should hope that the dude she marries decides to be faithful and will take care of her with no guarantees? Seriously?
There are a lot more divorces now only because women have more choices, period. Because things are becoming more equal now females aren't just sitting back tolerating whatever from dudes. Don't think for a second Grandma back in the day didn't want to get on a ho stroll herself while she saw Grandpa being a rolling stone. The difference now is, society isn't going to look at her the same as they would have back in the day.
You still didn't explain your point about how it seems like more guys are taking care of their business more than females. It really just sounds like you are passing the buck.
SMH Really?
So basically it's a woman's fault for being a ho and getting pregnant, but it's not a man's fault for taking the pussy? Men have already been running around getting random chicks pregnant since however long, but somehow they don't play a part into why shit is the way it is now?:krazy: Men didn't just decide recently to start being absent fathers.
Where did you mention the deadbeat fathers? I've seen paragraphs on the women, but scant words on the men.
So your solution is we should get rid of biased divorce laws that help women(and men), and we should expect a woman to put a premium on family and nothing career/education wise for herself? And then that woman should hope that the dude she marries decides to be faithful and will take care of her with no guarantees? Seriously?
There are a lot more divorces now only because women have more choices, period. Because things are becoming more equal now females aren't just sitting back tolerating whatever from dudes. Don't think for a second Grandma back in the day didn't want to get on a ho stroll herself while she saw Grandpa being a rolling stone. The difference now is, society isn't going to look at her the same as they would have back in the day.
You still didn't explain your point about how it seems like more guys are taking care of their business more than females. It really just sounds like you are passing the buck.
Hell to the yeah that's right! It's the woman's fault for being a hoe and not the man's fault for fucking her. Man taking pussy = natural. Woman being a hoe = unnatural.
If you're walking on the sidewalk and drop a $100 bill (woman being a hoe), someone behind you is going to pick it up (man taking pussy) and keep it. Who's fault is it that you no longer have that $100? Now if everytime you go out you drop a $100 bill eventually you're going to go broke (woman stuck raising child by herself). When you're drowning in your sorrows who are you to blame? Everybody who picked up your $100 and didn't give it back? Or your dumbass for dropping your money all over the place?
Men are always going to take the pussy! It's what we do! We're Pussy Hunters! Women know this and in the past they kept us in check by forcing men into a serious relationship before spreading their legs.
Men didn't just recently decide to stop being fathers. Well at least they didn't make that decision on their own. Like I already said, when women started rejecting boyfriends and husbands they began fucking random men with no strings attached. A man will fuck a girl he hardly knows (Pussy Hunter) but chances are he will not stick around and help raise a child with a girl he barely knows. Women are not ignorant to that fact! They know good and damn well they shouldn't be slutting themselves out (which is why the REALLY hate being labeled a slut) but they're doing it anyway because they're trying to prove a point.
I'm only saying we should get rid of the current divorce laws if women continue on this fucked up path. If their focus shifts back towards families then there's really nothing wrong with the divorce laws (I'm sure I could still find a thing or two that could be revised). A woman who puts a premium on her family IS looking out for herself and her future. She's doing much more to ensure her longterm happiness than she'll ever do by putting her family 2nd or 3rd and a career first! Men do not give a fuck about a woman's career. Providing for a family is HIS job. A woman isn't "wifey material" just because she's a lawyer! More often than not, a female lawyer would make a terrible wife. If she is truly a good woman then she is valuable to men and men will always want her (assuming she's not hideous). That's all that matters.
Yes, there is more men being real men than women being real women. If a woman respects herself enough to not slut herself out and make sure a guy cares for her before spreading her legs then she can weed out 99% of the deadbeat muthafuckas who will do her wrong. ESPECIALLY TODAY when he has so many other options for easy pussy! Why would he wait her out when he can just move on to an easier woman? A man that is willing to wait and get to know and respect her is much more likely to be interested in her as a person and not just what's between her legs.
Now for men, it's much harder for him to find a respectable woman that will even want him to wait! Shit, if you can find a good looking woman that even wants a boyfriend you're lucky. Then to make matters worse, their too many women playing the "good woman" role just to get into a man's wallet. The game is a unmarked minefield for men and it's hard to make it through without getting blown up (or losing limbs).
I believe that you don't want to believe woman are responsible for anything. You love women so much you can't bare to look at them in a negative light. It's 10x easier to blame men for the problems that way you can continue to view women as innocent and pure. You are only focusing on the surface of the problems we've been discussing. You refuse to look deeper and beyond the deadbeat men into what's causing the men (who are still acting the same as they always have) to behave the way they are. The only significant behavior change that has occured between the genders is the behavior of females. Both females participating in this thread (Queeny & Icey) have pointed out some of the things that females are doing wrong. They're both looking deeper than just "blame the deadbeat men for everything". By looking deeper you can see the root of a problem and try to fix it. By blaming men for everything you'll just continue to ignore the real problem. When has a problem ever gotten better by ignoring it?
coyoteblack
12-02-2008, 07:37 AM
:icon_popcorn2:This is good.......
dathill2002
12-02-2008, 09:54 AM
Yep! You're absolutely right! It's the woman's fault for being a ho and not the man's fault for fucking her. Man taking pussy = natural. Woman being a ho = unnatural.
If you're walking on the sidewalk and drop a $100 bill (woman being a ho), someone behind you is going to pick it up (man taking pussy) and keep it. Who's fault is it that you no longer have that $100? Now if everytime you go out you drop a $100 bill eventually you're going to go broke (woman stuck raising child by herself). When you're drowning in your sorrows who are you to blame? Everybody who picked up your $100 and didn't give it back? Or your dumbass for dropping your money all over the place?
Men are always going to take the pussy! It's what we do! We're Pussy Hunters! Women know this and in the past they kept us in check by forcing men into a serious relationship before spreading their legs.
Men didn't just recently decide to stop being fathers. Well at least they didn't make that decision on their own. Like I already said, when women started rejecting boyfriends and husbands they began fucking random men with no strings attached. A man will fuck a girl he hardly knows (Pussy Hunter) but chances are he will not stick around and help raise a child with a girl he barely knows. Women are not ignorant to that fact! They know good and damn well they shouldn't be slutting themselves out (which is why the REALLY hate being labeled a slut) but they're doing it anyway because they're trying to prove a point.
I'm only saying we should get rid of the current divorce laws if women continue on this fucked up path. If their focus shifts back towards families then there's really nothing wrong with the divorce laws (I'm sure I could still find a thing or two that could be revised). A woman who puts a premium on her family IS looking out for herself and her future. She's doing much more to ensure her longterm happiness than she'll ever do by putting her family 2nd or 3rd and a career first! Men do not give a fuck about a woman's career. Providing for a family is HIS job. A woman isn't "wifey material" just because she's a lawyer! More often than not, a female lawyer would make a terrible wife. If she is truly a good woman then she is valuable to men and men will always want her (assuming she's not hideous). That's all that matters.
Yes, there is more men being real men than women being real women. If a woman respects herself enough to not slut herself out and make sure a guy cares for her before spreading her legs then she can weed out 99% of the deadbeat muthafuckas who will do her wrong. ESPECIALLY TODAY when he has so many other options for easy pussy! Why would he wait her out when he can just move on to an easier woman? A man that is willing to wait and get to know and respect her is much more likely to be interested in her as a person and not just what's between her legs.
Now for men, it's much harder for him to find a respectable woman that will even want him to wait! Shit, if you can find a good looking woman that even wants a boyfriend you're lucky. Then to make matters worse, their too many women playing the "good woman" role just to get into a man's wallet. The game is a unmarked minefield for men and it's hard to make it through without getting blown up (or losing limbs).
I believe that you don't want to believe woman are responsible for anything. You love women so much you can't bare to look at them in a negative light. It's 10x easier to blame men for the problems that way you can continue to view women as innocent and pure. You are only focusing on the surface of the problems we've been discussing. You refuse to look deeper and beyond the deadbeat men into what's causing the men (who are still acting the same as they always have) to behave the way they are. The only significant behavior change that has occured between the genders is the behavior of females. Both females participating in this thread (Queeny & Icey) have pointed out some of the things that females are doing wrong. They're both looking deeper than just "blame the deadbeat men for everything". By looking deeper you can see the root of a problem and try to fix it. By blaming men for everything you'll just continue to ignore the real problem. When has a problem ever gotten better by ignoring it?
I love women, but the difference between me and you is I'm willing to be fair and place the responsibility on both sides. If you believe what you wrote, then you are part of the problem because you got accountability issues like the rest of these guys walking around here with a sense of entitlement. The pussy don't belong to you champ. It's not your decision to pass judgement and decide which woman is justified in giving it up and who deserves to be looked down on.
I for one don't care when a woman decided she wanted to be a smut. If she isn't up to my standards, how dumb am I for fucking with her and possibly getting her pregnant? Doesn't that make me just as responsible? Besides a woman can have whatever personal issues going on, that doesn't affect what I do as a grown ass man. Maybe you are giving women too much power by placing all the blame at their feet. A deadbeat dude didn't just decide to be a deadbeat all because of what a woman is doing. Or that guy must really got some serious problems to give a female that much power.
It's not easier to blame the men, especially when you claim a lot more dudes are out here taking care of their business. You're basing that observation on what? Well obviously not if there is so much easy pussy around, but yet somehow all these guys still manage to get taken advantage of by all these crafty sluts. How does that work? Statistically speaking that doesn't make sense.
You are basically calling men weak and saying it's okay for them to not have some kind of self-control. When the truth is there are plenty of unattractive women and women with STDs who somehow managed to get rejected by guys on a consistent basis. Now if those guys can say no to picking up that "$100 bill", how are they absolved of the same amount of responsibility when they nut in someone they knew was an obvious jumpoff?
Too many dudes are picking up loose ass women online, in the club, on the street, then hit that, and then when the situation goes south they want to claim it's women who have the problem. Well guy, what was you doing the whole time?
I'm very well aware of the double-standard of men can run through as many women as possible and be applauded for it. But champ, these ain't the bible days, women are out here getting it now. And since you getting all nature vs. nurture with it, it is a woman's natural inclination to follow a man's direction. So we can encourage women to be hos but then be mad when they are hos? That doesn't make sense at all. Because for every superhead, there is another n*gga coming up behind her endorsing that shit. Either men are just as responsible for leading women astray too, or women are responsible for themselves and can deal with the results of their own decisions. If that's the case, then why does it have to be considered a problem if a female is out rolling like these dudes are? Don't knock 'em cause you don't own 'em.
You say I'm the one who wants to believe women are pure and innocent, but somehow you got a problem with these women doing the same dirt as men. It's a only problem to you only if a female can get over. Now if you claim women are just as grimy these days, then why speak as if you are suprised at the current state of affairs?
I suspect you want to save some of these lost chicks out here, but champ you need to let 'em go. Don't be hostile to pussy and act like there is some kind of epidemic going on that women created all by themselves. Men are supposedly the more powerful sex by your standards, but yet women managed to create all these problems going on by themselves. Nah, I'm not buying what you are selling me champ.
It's not just the women's fault, it's these simp ass/capt save 'em dudes creating a market for all this BS going on. I say stop ragging on the hos, and man up and stop being a victim all your life.
I love women, but the difference between me and you is I'm willing to be fair and place the responsibility on both sides. If you believe what you wrote, then you are part of the problem because you got accountability issues like the rest of these guys walking around here with a sense of entitlement. The pussy don't belong to you champ. It's not your decision to pass judgement and decide which woman is justified in giving it up and who deserves to be looked down on.
I for one don't care when a woman decided she wanted to be a smut. If she isn't up to my standards, how dumb am I for fucking with her and possibly getting her pregnant? Doesn't that make me just as responsible? Besides a woman can have whatever personal issues going on, that doesn't affect what I do as a grown ass man. Maybe you are giving women too much power by placing all the blame at their feet. A deadbeat dude didn't just decide to be a deadbeat all because of what a woman is doing. Or that guy must really got some serious problems to give a female that much power.
It's not easier to blame the men, especially when you claim a lot more dudes are out here taking care of their business. You're basing that observation on what? Well obviously not if there is so much easy pussy around, but yet somehow all these guys still manage to get taken advantage of by all these crafty sluts. How does that work? Statistically speaking that doesn't make sense.
You are basically calling men weak and saying it's okay for them to not have some kind of self-control. When the truth is there are plenty of unattractive women and women with STDs who somehow managed to get rejected by guys on a consistent basis. Now if those guys can say no to picking up that "$100 bill", how are they absolved of the same amount of responsibility when they nut in someone they knew was an obvious jumpoff?
Too many dudes are picking up loose ass women online, in the club, on the street, then hit that, and then when the situation goes south they want to claim it's women who have the problem. Well guy, what was you doing the whole time?
I'm very well aware of the double-standard of men can run through as many women as possible and be applauded for it. But champ, these ain't the bible days, women are out here getting it now. And since you getting all nature vs. nurture with it, it is a woman's natural inclination to follow a man's direction. So we can encourage women to be hos but then be mad when they are hos? That doesn't make sense at all. Because for every superhead, there is another n*gga coming up behind her endorsing that shit. Either men are just as responsible for leading women astray too, or women are responsible for themselves and can deal with the results of their own decisions. If that's the case, then why does it have to be considered a problem if a female is out rolling like these dudes are? Don't knock 'em cause you don't own 'em.
You say I'm the one who wants to believe women are pure and innocent, but somehow you got a problem with these women doing the same dirt as men. It's a only problem to you only if a female can get over. Now if you claim women are just as grimy these days, then why speak as if you are suprised at the current state of affairs?
I suspect you want to save some of these lost chicks out here, but champ you need to let 'em go. Don't be hostile to pussy and act like there is some kind of epidemic going on that women created all by themselves. Men are supposedly the more powerful sex by your standards, but yet women managed to create all these problems going on by themselves. Nah, I'm not buying what you are selling me champ.
It's not just the women's fault, it's these simp ass/capt save 'em dudes creating a market for all this BS going on. I say stop ragging on the hos, and man up and stop being a victim all your life.
I have no idea where you got that I feel entitled to pussy or that it belongs to me. You are just pulling shit out of thin air right about now. When it comes to my life, YES it is my right to pass judgement on which women I think are real and which ones are sluts & hoes. Doesn't mean I wont fuck a slut or a hoe. Just means that I'll know she's a slut/hoe while I'm fucking her.
Most of the encouragement for women to be hoes is coming from women, not men. Men will create opportunities for women to be hoes, but it's women that will talk themselves and other women into being a hoe. For every Supahead there's another woman wanting to be just like her. Doesn't matter if a guy is endorsing that shit or not.
Again you're pulling more shit out of thin air claiming that I said women created all the problems. On the topic of women being demonized or demoralized they have more to do with that then men. On the topic of Divorce laws, women are creating more problems than men. You can take that and try to twist it into "you think women are the root of all evil in the universe" if you want to. I can see straight through that shit.
How are you going to tell me to man and and quit being a victim when I have never been victimized by a woman? You keep saying how Hard on Hoes I am so why do you think it would be easy for a woman to take advantage of me? I'm obviously not ignorant to their games. You're the married man, better stay kissing her ass or you'll see who's getting victimized by a woman.
dathill2002
12-02-2008, 10:57 AM
I have no idea where you got that I feel entitled to pussy or that it belongs to me. You are just pulling shit out of thin air right about now. When it comes to my life, YES it is my right to pass judgement on which women I think are real and which ones are sluts & hoes. Doesn't mean I wont fuck a slut or a hoe. Just means that I'll know she's a slut/hoe while I'm fucking her.
Most of the encouragement for women to be hoes is coming from women, not men. Men will create opportunities for women to be hoes, but it's women that will talk themselves and other women into being a hoe. For every Supahead there's another woman wanting to be just like her. Doesn't matter if a guy is endorsing that shit or not.
Again you're pulling more shit out of thin air claiming that I said women created all the problems. On the topic of women being demonized or demoralized they have more to do with that then men. On the topic of Divorce laws, women are creating more problems than men. You can take that and try to twist it into "you think women are the root of all evil in the universe" if you want to. I can see straight through that shit.
How are you going to tell me to man and and quit being a victim when I have never been victimized by a woman? You keep saying how Hard on Hoes I am so why do you think it would be easy for a woman to take advantage of me? I'm obviously not ignorant to their games. You're the married man, better stay kissing her ass or you'll see who's getting victimized by a woman.
Whoa it seems like I touched a nerve there!:biggrin: Just know that while you fucking the chick, that you ain't no better yourself to judge! So don't get burned and come back later talking about how grimy women do men like it's a conspiracy when you knew what you were getting into. That was my point all along. Stop hating on the pussy n*gga.
You think superhead gives a damn about if another female is cosigning her if Shaq is being a simp? Females will be the first to cut another female down, so your point doesn't make any sense.
And yeah it do sound like you feel entitled if you feel like you can judge who is a ho and who is not. Don't hate and post articles saying females is getting over when the only people being taken advantage of are dudes who play themselves. So no, I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air, I just notice you act like it's a problem that females aren't acting as chaste as you think they used to do back in the day. Great-grandma wasn't on the ho stroll because she didn't have the right to make her own choices the same way females do today. So don't hate on the females now like there aren't dudes participating in the same foolishness.
As far as my marriage, champ speak on what you know.:laugh: I do what I'm supposed to do at home. So if my wife turned out to be one of the grimy broads, I wouldn't be mad at the whole female gender and be speaking down on women in general because I'm mad for what one woman did. I would just have to man up and deal with it. I can only be a victim if I choose to be. One ho don't stop the show, remember that killa.:nod:
///you in iraq? I'm in baghdad right now arguing with you!:veryshocked:
Whoa it seems like I touched a nerve there!:biggrin: Just know that while you fucking the chick, that you ain't no better yourself to judge! So don't get burned and come back later talking about how grimy women do men like it's a conspiracy when you knew what you were getting into. That was my point all along. Stop hating on the pussy n*gga.
You think superhead gives a damn about if another female is cosigning her if Shaq is being a simp? Females will be the first to cut another female down, so your point doesn't make any sense.
And yeah it do sound like you feel entitled if you feel like you can judge who is a ho and who is not. Don't hate and post articles saying females is getting over when the only people being taken advantage of are dudes who play themselves. So no, I'm not pulling this stuff out of thin air, I just notice you act like it's a problem that females aren't acting as chaste as you think they used to do back in the day. Great-grandma wasn't on the ho stroll because she didn't have the right to make her own choices the same way females do today. So don't hate on the females now like there aren't dudes participating in the same foolishness.
As far as my marriage, champ speak on what you know.:laugh: I do what I'm supposed to do at home. So if my wife turned out to be one of the grimy broads, I wouldn't be mad at the whole female gender and be speaking down on women in general because I'm mad for what one woman did. I would just have to man up and deal with it. I can only be a victim if I choose to be. One ho don't stop the show, remember that killa.:nod:
///you in iraq? I'm in baghdad right now arguing with you!:veryshocked:
:lmao: so Great Grandma would've been a hoe if she would've been giving the freedom? So basically you're saying that the only way to stop women from hoeing is to control them strip away their rights.
You're on the VBC compound or the IZ? I'll be in Baghdad for a month as soon as I get a flight down there. Way more hoes in Baghdad than up North.:smile:
dathill2002
12-02-2008, 11:33 AM
:lmao: so Great Grandma would've been a hoe if she would've been giving the freedom? So basically you're saying that the only way to stop women from hoeing is to control them strip away their rights.
You're on the VBC compound or the IZ? I'll be in Baghdad for a month as soon as I get a flight down there. Way more hoes in Baghdad than up North.:smile:
Exactly. You think dudes wasn't beating and intimidating their wives back in the day? A woman better not be out there on a ho stroll cheating on her husband because if he left, she'd literally be starving(that's why we got those divorce laws now:nod:). Women weren't working like that, and n*ggas wasn't so quick to pick up another dude's scraps like how they do now.
Women are only doing what they felt like doing a long time ago, it's subjective to consider calling it "hoing" now. Now, you just got females going to the extreme with it. The only thing that will stop women from "hoing" is if they find on their own a better alternative. Unfortunately, a lot of dudes ain't offering them one.
//yeah boss the VBC is where all the females are at! Er, um, so I heard with me being married and all.:rolleyes:
Exactly. You think dudes wasn't beating and intimidating their wives back in the day? A woman better not be out there on a ho stroll cheating on her husband because if he left, she'd literally be starving(that's why we got those divorce laws now:nod:). Women weren't working like that, and n*ggas wasn't so quick to pick up another dude's scraps like how they do now.
Women are only doing what they felt like doing a long time ago, it's subjective to consider calling it "hoing" now. Now, you just got females going to the extreme with it. The only thing that will stop women from "hoing" is if they find on their own a better alternative. Unfortunately, a lot of dudes ain't offering them one.
//yeah boss the VBC is where all the females are at! Er, um, so I heard with me being married and all.:rolleyes:
Well compare the two extremes. America is the extreme feminine society and the Middle East is the extreme masculine society. There would be no Supahead if she was born in the Middle East...she would've gotten supa-stoned a long time ago. They refuse to let women bring dishonor to the family/tribe and they take responsibility for protecting and maintaining the women. Westerners view Middle Eastern women as being heavily oppressed but nobody can view as sluts and hoes.
A woman that has no restriction placed on her wants and will be a slut (unless presented with a better alternative)? I'm curious to hear Queeny's and Icey's opinion regarding that.
Is there a society that has struck a balance between the two extremes?
coyoteblack
12-02-2008, 12:22 PM
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der frostback77
12-03-2008, 07:08 PM
Slam a simple question.....do you believe that women are intrinsically bad?
Queeny
12-03-2008, 10:05 PM
Well compare the two extremes. America is the extreme feminine society and the Middle East is the extreme masculine society. There would be no Supahead if she was born in the Middle East...she would've gotten supa-stoned a long time ago. They refuse to let women bring dishonor to the family/tribe and they take responsibility for protecting and maintaining the women. Westerners view Middle Eastern women as being heavily oppressed but nobody can view as sluts and hoes.
A woman that has no restriction placed on her wants and will be a slut (unless presented with a better alternative)? I'm curious to hear Queeny's and Icey's opinion regarding that.
Is there a society that has struck a balance between the two extremes?
well i cant speak for icey, and i'm not exactly sure what you mean where this is concerned but ill give you an answer to my interpretation of it lol
I, personally, do not for a SECOND believe that Middle Eastern women are oppressed, or that they are mistreated, and i dont care WHO attacks me for it. I have a BILLION Middle Eastern friends, I have family from there even, and I'm part Albanian which is culturally VERY similar to Middle Eastern culture. YES, it is true that men have the upper hand in society & that males dominate the family. Do I agree with that? Yes & no. Yes because there is a certain level of respect for the family, marriage and relationship that is nonexistent in a lot of Western society. No because there SHOULD be a LITTLE more dominance where women are concerned. However, generally I find that Middle Eatern women are more RESPECTED by their husband and family and overall society. They do not flaunt their pussies all over the place, they do not run around being sluts and hoes and thats because society views it as unnacceptable. Where WE are we are so concerned with equality and shit that fucking as many dicks as possible is what's going to make us 'cool' and 'accepted' not realizing that that's the type of shit NO man wants. Well maybe for a minute or two but that's it. I beleive in men being men and women being women. Women fucking around, being sluts and skanks, spreading their legs for any dude walking by is a shame to females all around the world and there are still FEW places out there that actually still portray this kind of image of women and i'm at least glad that is still exists in SOME parts of the world and hasnt died completely..... I constantly wish that American females would stop vieweing women who still respect themselves, their husbands, family, and females overall as oppressed and just realise that we should ALL be more that way... I look at certain females around here and wonder.... what would your MAMA think??? What does your FATHER have to say about all this? Using Superhead as an example- she is a woman who made BILLIONS off of sucking dick well....... LOL ..... I mean, let's be serious .... WHY??? What kind of image is that sending out to teenage females all around America? That its OK to give blowjobs for a living?? You are right... in the Middle East there would BE NO Superhead..... because her daddy would have taught her a little better than that.
Again, not sure if thats what you were asking but if not i'm sorry for ranting on about nothing. lol
Queeny
12-03-2008, 10:08 PM
ALSO- to answer the last question you asked... I thikn ther is a society that has struck a balance between the two and it's Latin America... being real- Latina women & men are the only ones, who in my opinion, have a balance of ladies and sluts LOL .... you have those that will be hoes and you have those with the highest of morals . I guess to generalise and say Latinos is not particularly good as Latin AMerica has a lot of countries, but as a society i definately believe they are one of the few that has a balance of the two.
Queeny
12-03-2008, 10:09 PM
PS- i love this thread lol
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now here is where me and my lovely best friend COMPLITELY disagree.
I not only believe women in the Middle East are oppressed, I believe a woman is a Middle Eastern society is not even considered a human...maybe like a domestic animal. And like Queeny said, I dont care WHO attacks me for what Im saying.
Women in the Middle East have been abused, killed, tortured by their HUSBANDS for centeries. So if u are seen with another man, walking...your community gets all together happily and throws huge rocks at you all they all happily watch you die...a woman is not allowed to open her mouth if she's not spoken too, a man can have up to 5 wives...this is what you call RESPECT. You have GOT to be fucking kidding me!!! Middle East has the right intentions, but have taken them TOO far. Yes a woman's role is to find a suitable mate and breed, however being treated as NOTHING BUT a baby making machine?
So your trying to tell me that a girl/woman raised in a Middle Eastern society could never be a slut or a hoe? That's why they wear all their religious shit to school...because mother and father are home...and when they get to school they take all that shit off...
There is a MAJOR diffrence between being one with ur husband, having his kids and living a happy life...then being a baby producing machine that doesnt even have the right to a grade 5 education.
Now ALL families are diffrent, and this doesnt hold true in every single Muslim/Middle Eastern family...however for the most part...it does. There SURE AS HELL would be a superhead, except no one would know about it...all is hush hush...this is all such fucking bullshit and the whole world sees it. Women in the Middle East are NOT women, they are animals.
Do you think these women actually experince love, intimacy, an orgasm? NO. If u look decent enuff ur parents give u away by the age of 15 the latest to some 40 year old dude and u start poppin babies from than year on until ur menapouse. Women in the Middle East are respected...that has GOT to be one of the greatest jokes of this planet.
Queeny
12-03-2008, 11:55 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now here is where me and my lovely best friend COMPLITELY disagree.
I not only believe women in the Middle East are oppressed, I believe a woman is a Middle Eastern society is not even considered a human...maybe like a domestic animal. And like Queeny said, I dont care WHO attacks me for what Im saying.
Women in the Middle East have been abused, killed, tortured by their HUSBANDS for centeries. So if u are seen with another man, walking...your community gets all together happily and throws huge rocks at you all they all happily watch you die...a woman is not allowed to open her mouth if she's not spoken too, a man can have up to 5 wives...this is what you call RESPECT. You have GOT to be fucking kidding me!!! Middle East has the right intentions, but have taken them TOO far. Yes a woman's role is to find a suitable mate and breed, however being treated as NOTHING BUT a baby making machine?
So your trying to tell me that a girl/woman raised in a Middle Eastern society could never be a slut or a hoe? That's why they wear all their religious shit to school...because mother and father are home...and when they get to school they take all that shit off...
There is a MAJOR diffrence between being one with ur husband, having his kids and living a happy life...then being a baby producing machine that doesnt even have the right to a grade 5 education.
Now ALL families are diffrent, and this doesnt hold true in every single Muslim/Middle Eastern family...however for the most part...it does. There SURE AS HELL would be a superhead, except no one would know about it...all is hush hush...this is all such fucking bullshit and the whole world sees it. Women in the Middle East are NOT women, they are animals.
Do you think these women actually experince love, intimacy, an orgasm? NO. If u look decent enuff ur parents give u away by the age of 15 the latest to some 40 year old dude and u start poppin babies from than year on until ur menapouse. Women in the Middle East are respected...that has GOT to be one of the greatest jokes of this planet.
that is NOTHING more than a misconception that we are led to believe in. And i guess they have that same misconception in Russia. I know God only knows how many middle eastern women, as do you, and i dont believe ANY of them or their mothers are oppressed and/or used as baby making machines LOL nor are they 'animals' and not humans. I disagree COMPLETELY.
Who told you they dont have the right to an education???? That's another lie. 50% of females purpuse university/college. That's not a small number if you ask me. You are VERY media oriented and close minded where this issue is concerned for NO reason and with NO evidence or numbers or ANYTHING of any sort.... and i've told you that a billion times before. Who told you they are not happy with their husbands??? The average rate of children in the Middle East is 3 kids per woman ... i dont see that as abnormal. It's a normal rate of children. How are they animals?? are they left eating on the damn ground? What's there to be calling animals????
As far as the 5 wives issue- that's their culture. You cant judge it. In Islam it is appropriate for a man to have more than one wife for reproduction purposes. Again, that's their culture, beleif and lifestyle .... it's not harming anybody nor causing any damage to anyone so why is it wrong? Do i agree with it? No. Not personally. Would I want my husband to have another 4 wives? Certainly not. But I was also raised in a different society with different standards and morals. That doesnt mean you have to judge their lifestyle and beleifs.... sorry man... you and i are night and day on THIS topic.
How are you going call FACTS misconceptions??? I grew up around Arabs and Arab women and they all TOLD me shit they have seen or their mothers...
Media does not show any of this shit, media and everyone else God knows why have been defending Middle East for centeries now. I have reason AND evidence...go look shit up. I aint gonna waste my time posting that here lol. So women being mistreated like they have been is nothing but a misconception??? So some idiot woke up one day and made ALLLLL this shit up? Right.
Anyways, I can argue with this in person lol so Im not doing it here. We disagree there and that's fine.
And there aint no misconceptions in Russia, that country drank it self into the bullshit it now represents and Russian males know nothing but how to gulf down vodka and beat their wives black and blue.
We are night and day inteed. Now I had this GREAT point to make and I no longer remember it. Fuckery. I'll be back lol.
Slam a simple question.....do you believe that women are intrinsically bad?
No, I don't.
Queeny
12-04-2008, 12:26 AM
How are you going call FACTS misconceptions??? I grew up around Arabs and Arab women and they all TOLD me shit they have seen or their mothers...
Media does not show any of this shit, media and everyone else God knows why have been defending Middle East for centeries now. I have reason AND evidence...go look shit up. I aint gonna waste my time posting that here lol. So women being mistreated like they have been is nothing but a misconception??? So some idiot woke up one day and made ALLLLL this shit up? Right.
Anyways, I can argue with this in person lol so Im not doing it here. We disagree there and that's fine.
And there aint no misconceptions in Russia, that country drank it self into the bullshit it now represents and Russian males know nothing but how to gulf down vodka and beat their wives black and blue.
We are night and day inteed. Now I had this GREAT point to make and I no longer remember it. Fuckery. I'll be back lol.
well i dunno about the arabs YOU know cus the ones i know and have always known have had NO issues or horror stories to tell.
The media has been doing WHAT to the middle east? come AGAIN? Ok you just KILLED It with that one. THe media does nothing but try to make the Middle East look like HELL. LMFAO From their 'terrorism' to how HORRIBLE they treat women! and it's not about it being made up dummy its about the fact that its SO overexagerated and deliberately made to look that way..... propaganda sweetness.
I have looked shit up. Plenty of times. Try using a search engine a little MORE reliable than Google. Maybe then you'll get a better and more reliable and valid result. I'm not saying that women had NOT been mistreated... I'm just saying its not a quarter of a quarter of a quarter as bad as its made out to be .... yes, the male dominance is crazy. Yes there ARE women that are completely mistreated... but is it as extreme as its made out to be? Absolutely NOT.
and NO we MUST argue on here instead of face to face so that the next time somebody on here decides to say that we agree on EVERYTING we can go AHAAAA! no we dont! lol
yes yes we can.
So were you trying to insult me saying I use Google for my facts? LOL...And you have more realiable information?...
I've heard more terror stories than I can count, from women of ALL Arabic countries in the world. I think it's been underrated and eyes closed on the actual shit that goes on there.
It's a fact that if a woman is seen with another man in public, stones are thrown at her by everyone until she dies...that's a fact, I read and heard that it actually used to happen ALL the time...how is that exagerated? and how is that a misconception...that's an actual FACT. You dont call that "extreme"? Well if that's not extreme then do tell me what IS?
You know shit like this happens all the time in the Middle East and worse, still today in some countries. Obviously with time every nation evolves and obviously lots of these horrible things have been abolished and women are now allowed to talk and learn in school...whoo whoo welcome to the 21st Century.
And dont tell me shit how ur family is half Muslim and whatever cuz that's bullshit. Euro "Muslims" are complitely diffrent and dont follow HALF the shit Middle Easteners follow. Georgians are muslims too, and the only similaries they have with lets say Iraqi's is that they both believe in Allah. That's IT. That is so complitely diffrent. Europe developed at a complitely diffrent pace. You cant even compare that. In Europe they just call themselves Muslims, but in reality none of the this kinda shit actually happens.
dathill2002
12-04-2008, 02:55 AM
Well compare the two extremes. America is the extreme feminine society and the Middle East is the extreme masculine society. There would be no Supahead if she was born in the Middle East...she would've gotten supa-stoned a long time ago. They refuse to let women bring dishonor to the family/tribe and they take responsibility for protecting and maintaining the women. Westerners view Middle Eastern women as being heavily oppressed but nobody can view as sluts and hoes.
A woman that has no restriction placed on her wants and will be a slut (unless presented with a better alternative)? I'm curious to hear Queeny's and Icey's opinion regarding that.
Is there a society that has struck a balance between the two extremes?
To assume a woman will be a slut because of no restrictions is subjective. What I meant is what you may personally believe is being a slut, may not be the same idea to that woman. The list of alternatives may be anywhere from being a ho, being celibate, being faithful to a man or whatever. The issue now is a lot of women aren't basing their lives around whatever a man "allows" them to do these days. We don't control women as much as we used to back in the day, so women make their own decisions that others may not agree with.
Why would a woman want to be supportive/submissive to a man that hasn't given her any evidence that he would support her in return? Luck on someone else's merit is not a smart investment of time that you can't get back. Why make yourself vulnerable to a man when you can rock it on your own(even if that means being a ho by some people's standards)?
That is the problem. There are too many guys out here wanting it both ways. They want to smash jumpoffs and make kids, but then think it's okay to be absent fathers. They want females to be experienced, but they don't want them to be hos. They want women to be submissive and supportive of their careers because the man will take care of the family. But then they have a problem when a chick can take half of your house if you get a divorce. Truth is, guys aren't taking care of their business as much as they would like to believe.
Little girls are being taught to have low self-esteem, just like little boys are taught to run through pussy. But then somehow we are all surprised when they are both grown that dudes think it's smart to take whatever pussy they can get, and little girls think they got to fuck the first night to get attention from dudes.
This is where I think we all have it twisted.
dathill2002
12-04-2008, 03:20 AM
well i cant speak for icey, and i'm not exactly sure what you mean where this is concerned but ill give you an answer to my interpretation of it lol
I, personally, do not for a SECOND believe that Middle Eastern women are oppressed, or that they are mistreated, and i dont care WHO attacks me for it. I have a BILLION Middle Eastern friends, I have family from there even, and I'm part Albanian which is culturally VERY similar to Middle Eastern culture. YES, it is true that men have the upper hand in society & that males dominate the family. Do I agree with that? Yes & no. Yes because there is a certain level of respect for the family, marriage and relationship that is nonexistent in a lot of Western society. No because there SHOULD be a LITTLE more dominance where women are concerned. However, generally I find that Middle Eatern women are more RESPECTED by their husband and family and overall society. They do not flaunt their pussies all over the place, they do not run around being sluts and hoes and thats because society views it as unnacceptable. Where WE are we are so concerned with equality and shit that fucking as many dicks as possible is what's going to make us 'cool' and 'accepted' not realizing that that's the type of shit NO man wants. Well maybe for a minute or two but that's it. I beleive in men being men and women being women. Women fucking around, being sluts and skanks, spreading their legs for any dude walking by is a shame to females all around the world and there are still FEW places out there that actually still portray this kind of image of women and i'm at least glad that is still exists in SOME parts of the world and hasnt died completely..... I constantly wish that American females would stop vieweing women who still respect themselves, their husbands, family, and females overall as oppressed and just realise that we should ALL be more that way... I look at certain females around here and wonder.... what would your MAMA think??? What does your FATHER have to say about all this? Using Superhead as an example- she is a woman who made BILLIONS off of sucking dick well....... LOL ..... I mean, let's be serious .... WHY??? What kind of image is that sending out to teenage females all around America? That its OK to give blowjobs for a living?? You are right... in the Middle East there would BE NO Superhead..... because her daddywould have taught her a little better than that.
Again, not sure if thats what you were asking but if not i'm sorry for ranting on about nothing. lol
Notice the key words...:paper:. The fellas play a part in this "ho" syndrome we got going on.
Mike82
12-04-2008, 08:53 AM
Google is the best search engine in the history of search engines.
Mike82
12-04-2008, 08:58 AM
yes yes we can.
So were you trying to insult me saying I use Google for my facts? LOL...And you have more realiable information?...
I've heard more terror stories than I can count, from women of ALL Arabic countries in the world. I think it's been underrated and eyes closed on the actual shit that goes on there.
It's a fact that if a woman is seen with another man in public, stones are thrown at her by everyone until she dies...that's a fact, I read and heard that it actually used to happen ALL the time...how is that exagerated? and how is that a misconception...that's an actual FACT. You dont call that "extreme"? Well if that's not extreme then do tell me what IS?
You know shit like this happens all the time in the Middle East and worse, still today in some countries. Obviously with time every nation evolves and obviously lots of these horrible things have been abolished and women are now allowed to talk and learn in school...whoo whoo welcome to the 21st Century.
And dont tell me shit how ur family is half Muslim and whatever cuz that's bullshit. Euro "Muslims" are complitely diffrent and dont follow HALF the shit Middle Easteners follow. Georgians are muslims too, and the only similaries they have with lets say Iraqi's is that they both believe in Allah. That's IT. That is so complitely diffrent. Europe developed at a complitely diffrent pace. You cant even compare that. In Europe they just call themselves Muslims, but in reality none of the this kinda shit actually happens.
Aren't you sterotyping a little? Whose to say that people from Europe can't be good muslims? And the way that woman are treated in the Middle East, is that a true representation of Islam? I doubt that god told them to abuse their wives.
coyoteblack
12-04-2008, 09:25 AM
Little girls are being taught to have low self-esteem, just like little boys are taught to run through pussy. But then somehow we are all surprised when they are both grown that dudes think it's smart to take whatever pussy they can get, and little girls think they got to fuck the first night to get attention from dudes.
This is where I think we all have it twisted. Well said.....
I can't speak on what the media in Canada or Russia shows but the American media will not hesitate to show negative images of the Middle East. Any news special on the Middle East will show you plenty of images of Iraq and Afghanistan but they carefully don't show anything else. Iraq and Afghanistan have beem bombed for years, so of course those countries are in rubble and some people are living in the dirt. Take a look at Middle Eastern countries that the U.S. has NOT bombed. Look at Qatar (Doha), DUBAI (Emirate, not a country), and even Kuwait!! Those places are flourshing better than the U.S. and Europe combined! They drive Ferrari's, Lambos, and Aston Martins, like Americans drive Civics, Corollas, and Altimas.
Media is not accurately reporting on everything in the Middle East because they don't want people to see that countries that do not do things "our way" can flourish better than us.
Doha (Qatar)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Doha_Sheraton.jpg/800px-Doha_Sheraton.jpg
http://www.qatarembassy.net/qatar%20gallery/doha%20city/Doha%20city%20008%20state%20of%20Qatar.JPG
Dubai
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/14/f7/cf/dubai.jpg
http://architecture.myninjaplease.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/dubai-towers-dubai.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/wvoi03.jpg
http://www.clubiremtur.com/turdetay/dubai.jpg
http://dubaibeachfurnishedapartments.com/the-palm-dubai_small.jpg
Doesn't look like "dirt people" to me. :search:
and NO we MUST argue on here instead of face to face so that the next time somebody on here decides to say that we agree on EVERYTING we can go AHAAAA! no we dont! lol
Or you two could solve your disagreement with a bikini mud wrestling bout that you record and post the link. Just a thought...:popcorn:
collegedropout
12-04-2008, 11:12 AM
sLam...
Have you seen any of those building/similar scenery in person?
It looks quite nice...
I'm just curious. I REALLY want to do some traveling around the world, one day.
sLam...
Have you seen any of those building/similar scenery in person?
It looks quite nice...
I'm just curious. I REALLY want to do some traveling around the world, one day.
Not yet. I'll probably visit Dubai before I return to the States. The company I'm working for sends us to Dubai for any medical check-ups we need. One of my co-workers just left for Dubai the other day claiming he had a toothache. :lmao:
I also want to visit Qatar because I have friends there.
Queeny
12-04-2008, 12:29 PM
I can't speak on what the media in Canada or Russia shows but the American media will not hesitate to show negative images of the Middle East. Any news special on the Middle East will show you plenty of images of Iraq and Afghanistan but they carefully don't show anything else. Iraq and Afghanistan have beem bombed for years, so of course those countries are in rubble and some people are living in the dirt. Take a look at Middle Eastern countries that the U.S. has NOT bombed. Look at Qatar (Doha), DUBAI (Emirate, not a country), and even Kuwait!! Those places are flourshing better than the U.S. and Europe combined! They drive Ferrari's, Lambos, and Aston Martins, like Americans drive Civics, Corollas, and Altimas.
Media is not accurately reporting on everything in the Middle East because they don't want people to see that countries that do not do things "our way" can flourish better than us.
Doha (Qatar)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d2/Doha_Sheraton.jpg/800px-Doha_Sheraton.jpg
http://www.qatarembassy.net/qatar%20gallery/doha%20city/Doha%20city%20008%20state%20of%20Qatar.JPG
Dubai
http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/00/14/f7/cf/dubai.jpg
http://architecture.myninjaplease.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/dubai-towers-dubai.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/wvoi03.jpg
http://www.clubiremtur.com/turdetay/dubai.jpg
http://dubaibeachfurnishedapartments.com/the-palm-dubai_small.jpg
Doesn't look like "dirt people" to me. :search:
for the FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY OF CUTIE CENTRAL I agree with you WHOLEHEARTEDLY!!!!!!!!!!!! :bananna::bananna: I wanna marry you for that one LOL..... ill take back my bad nomination for you. I swear it! loll ahahahaha
Seriously though.... Middle Eastern countries are THE richest countries in the WORLD ..... Dubai is the oNLY PLACE to have a 7 star hotel... how bad off can they be?? ahahahhhaaa It is my life goal to go to that hotel you just posted ..... one of my girls is in Dubai and she messages me constantly saying how amazing it is and how much money they make ... and how the CLUBS there are a billion times better than here ... CLUBS- A FEMALE... doenst really sound like hses being held in a cage to me lol
ahhhh stereotypes are great arent they
Mike82
12-04-2008, 02:36 PM
I've been to Dubai, and it's really nice. They are a very Westernized culture over there, although they are still very religous. You walk the city and you hear the praying going on these loud speakers all over the place. They have a HUGE mall over there. Mall of the Emirates I believe. The media does like to make those people over there seem like mostly Nomadic groups of people that live and huts and villages. Especially Hollywood. The average person in Saudi Arabia is very rich by our standards yet all the movies will want to make an Arabic look like some poor, evil terrorist.
Queeny
12-04-2008, 03:32 PM
I've been to Dubai, and it's really nice. They are a very Westernized culture over there, although they are still very religous. You walk the city and you hear the praying going on these loud speakers all over the place. They have a HUGE mall over there. Mall of the Emirates I believe. The media does like to make those people over there seem like mostly Nomadic groups of people that live and huts and villages. Especially Hollywood. The average person in Saudi Arabia is very rich by our standards yet all the movies will want to make an Arabic look like some poor, evil terrorist.
...... yes. exept you forgot to mention that they also make it look like they treat their women like dogs.
Aren't you sterotyping a little? Whose to say that people from Europe can't be good muslims? And the way that woman are treated in the Middle East, is that a true representation of Islam? I doubt that god told them to abuse their wives.
Im just saying it like I see it. I never said Europeans cant be good Muslims, I said they are DIFFRENT. They practise Islam in a complitely diffrent ways and dont follow most of the religious stuff they do in Middle East.
Posting a few pretty pictures (with clubs) and all really does not show me any respect for women or anything in that topic at all. Like...I did say most of the shit has been abolished, simply because they world is much more open to whats going on in other countries these days, and that would not have been allowed.
And who said that Middle East wasnt prosperious and rich and very well off??? I dont remember saying that. Ya'll acting like Im bashing Islam and the Middle East and all, Im not. Im simply bringing facts about what has been done to women for centeries, that's not respect in any shape way or form.
Yet for some straaaaaange reason...I dont remember such horrid mistreatment of women in Christianity, or in Catholicsm, or in Buddism, or in Taoism, or in Judaism...
Hey, I aint saying Islam is teling them to abuse their wives, however I find it intresting that out of ALL religions of the world...this one seems to be the only one with such extreme hate and violence and mistreatment of women.
And hey, not every Muslim is a terrorist...yet every terrorist IS Muslim.
That aint "misconceptions" that's just how it all is.
Queeny
12-04-2008, 04:12 PM
I absolutely HATE it when people assosiate a certain act with a religion. First off, RELIGION has NOTHING to do with ANY of this.
Second, HOW can you sit there and blatantly say that NO other religion has mistreated its women when EVERY SINGLE PLACE ON EARTH until recenty has been treating women the same??? I SWEAR until not too long ago even in CANADA women werent considered the be HUMANS. In EVERY damn CULTURE, not religion but CULTURE, men have been viwed as superior to women and have mistreated, beat, and abused women HOWEVER they wanted. Be it physically, emotionally, financially- every damn way possible. That has nothing to do with religion, that has nothing to do with the Qur'an OR Islam itself. That is NOTHING more than stereotypes, that sadly, a shtload of people seem to associate with the religion, when quite frankly, Islam is one of THE most peaceful religions in the world. Look it up. Let's see- in Vietnam, Korea & all over Asia the number ONE issue is prostitution and traficking of women, women being FORCED into fucking nasty old men, being beat, murdered and raped bc of this shit .... girls as young as what?? 10? 11?? That's not MISTREATMENT??? Theyre not in the Middle East. How many countries WORLDWIDE still practice female genital mutilation???? Pretty much causing the worst kind of pain possible to little girls for WHAT reason? SO THEY CANT FUCK AND 'DEGRADE' THEMSELVES. Thats not in the Middle East (though it is there too, just not ONLY there)
Please man. You're wrong. Tha'ts it lol
and what FACTS were brought about women being mistreated?? I didnt see no facts lol
Queeny
12-04-2008, 04:19 PM
"Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers."
Prophet Mohammed
You, along with a LOT of other ppl in society,need to realise that even IF women in the Middle East ARE mistreated (which I dont believe they are) that is not an Islamic practice. That a norm formed in society. THere is difference between a societal practice and a religious one. Under NO circumstance does Islam the RELIGION allow for the mistreatment of women. Quite the opposite- everywehre where women are mentioned in the Qur'an it states that women are equal to men ..... I dunno where you got all taht shit from
Islam is one of THE most peaceful religions in the world.
:kidding::kidding::kidding:
:laugh::lmao::laugh::lmao::laugh::lmao::laugh::lma o:
Now if THAT aint a joke, I dont know what is!!!
Im not wrong, YOU are wrong.
Anywho, lets get back to the topic.
To sLam's question...
I dont think women being hoes has anything to do with freedom. I personally believes it's all about how they are RAISED.
Mike82
12-04-2008, 05:56 PM
Icey, believe it or not there are litteraly DOZENS of non-muslim terrorist groups around the world. Also, are people and organizations like Neo Nazis, the KKK, Bill Ayers, and the unibomber muslim? The fact that so many people actually believe that muslims are the only terrorists in this world only reinforces what I said earlier. When people think of a terrorist, they automatically think of some Arab hiding in the desert somewhere trying to blow up an American GI with an IED.
Bishop
12-04-2008, 08:03 PM
This is really a good thread. I almost forgot what the original question was! LOL!
Just to throw something out there, I remember reading sometime ago in one of the medical journals here at work about a marriage counselling session that involved 4 couples. The eight individuals were of different races, backgrounds, and ages. All suffered from seemingly the same relationship problems (i.e. he doesn't treat me like he use to, she doesn't do the special things she use to...blah, blah, blah)
One of the men made a comment that his wife had disdain for all men because her father was absent from her life so she had no real perception of a real man should be much less how she should treat a real man. His wife responded by saying he has no ideal what a real man is because his father was absent too so he's resentful to women in general because all of the major figures in his life were strong willed women who dominated his life - in essence, punking him out. She felt that this was his unconscious reasoning for taking every opportunity to point out not only everything she did wrong but everything women do wrong in general.
Eventually this discussion became heated and had to be stopped but this got me thinking. Do people in general really know what it takes to be a real man or woman in a relationship nowadays?
The perception of what and how a real man or woman should act is so off base that people no longer deal with relationship matters seriously. Either no effort is given to maintain a proper relationship or the relationship goes so bad that the police, other family members, and most likely child protective services need to become involved.
I can't blame this on racial cultures because I have a good friend who when angry, calls his wife a bit** at the drop of a hat and it's nothing. Maybe my family is different but this is unheard of - not because of fear of 'Sista Rage' but because it is just something you do not do if you actually respect the person you are with.
I mentioned my observation to him in a discussion like this with the guys at work and all of the younger White guys said yeah, whenever that bit** pisses me off I make sure her bit** ass knows it.
I just thought it was odd that the Black guys were completely opposite the 'rapper perception' but the younger White guys took it as being normal. The older White guys felt it was uncalled for.
Maybe I'm different but a real man or woman does what needs to be done (within reason)to maintain the relationship. The place of the man was first and foremost respect his woman. A woman who feels respected and loved does wonders! The same holds true for a man.
I just don't see the respect anymore nor do I see the patience needed to make relationships work. It's like Wall Street, if the return isn't instant, the stock has to go but the real money is on the long-term investment. No one wants to wait.
I'm not talking about the asses who don't know how to act but people in general who have never seen a real relationship in action. For some it's so rare to actually see real men and women interact with each other that it's considered to be a gimmick or just for show.
Queeny
12-04-2008, 08:43 PM
:kidding::kidding::kidding:
:laugh::lmao::laugh::lmao::laugh::lmao::laugh::lma o:
Now if THAT aint a joke, I dont know what is!!!
Im not wrong, YOU are wrong.
Anywho, lets get back to the topic.
Again going based on what you think is right with absolutely ZERO evidence or proof other than your own head is not right. AGAIN- look it up. Learn about Islam before coming with anything to me. Remember- half of Albania is Muslim.. MY DAD is Mulsim, as is his whole side of the family, so really, i have some evidence as to what i'm talking about. Islam is actually one of THEEE most peaceful religiohns out. You, as i already mentioned, as connecting what the Middle Eastern society has done with their religion and there is NO connection between the two.
While at it, keep in mind that the most hateful crimes known to mankind & history were NOT performed by Muslims not Middle Eastern people. They were all perfromed by white, christian males.
I agree coyoteblack. COMPLETELY agree. Respect and patience are rarely existent in today's society.... something you barely ever see... it's a sad shame.
Queeny
12-04-2008, 08:44 PM
Icey, believe it or not there are litteraly DOZENS of non-muslim terrorist groups around the world. Also, are people and organizations like Neo Nazis, the KKK, Bill Ayers, and the unibomber muslim? The fact that so many people actually believe that muslims are the only terrorists in this world only reinforces what I said earlier. When people think of a terrorist, they automatically think of some Arab hiding in the desert somewhere trying to blow up an American GI with an IED.
pretty much
:tribe::tribe:
coyoteblack
12-04-2008, 09:00 PM
This is really a good thread. I almost forgot what the original question was! LOL!
Just to throw something out there, I remember reading sometime ago in one of the medical journals here at work about a marriage counselling session that involved 4 couples. The eight individuals were of different races, backgrounds, and ages. All suffered from seemingly the same relationship problems (i.e. he doesn't treat me like he use to, she doesn't do the special things she use to...blah, blah, blah)
One of the men made a comment that his wife had disdain for all men because her father was absent from her life so she had no real perception of a real man should be much less how she should treat a real man. His wife responded by saying he has no ideal what a real man is because his father was absent too so he's resentful to women in general because all of the major figures in his life were strong willed women who dominated his life - in essence, punking him out. She felt that this was his unconscious reasoning for taking every opportunity to point out not only everything she did wrong but everything women do wrong in general.
Eventually this discussion became heated and had to be stopped but this got me thinking. Do people in general really know what it takes to be a real man or woman in a relationship nowadays?
The perception of what and how a real man or woman should act is so off base that people no longer deal with relationship matters seriously. Either no effort is given to maintain a proper relationship or the relationship goes so bad that the police, other family members, and most likely child protective services need to become involved.
I can't blame this on racial cultures because I have a good friend who when angry, calls his wife a bit** at the drop of a hat and it's nothing. Maybe my family is different but this is unheard of - not because of fear of 'Sista Rage' but because it is just something you do not do if you actually respect the person you are with.
I mentioned my observation to him in a discussion like this with the guys at work and all of the younger White guys said yeah, whenever that bit** pisses me off I make sure her bit** ass knows it.
I just thought it was odd that the Black guys were completely opposite the 'rapper perception' but the younger White guys took it as being normal. The older White guys felt it was uncalled for.
Maybe I'm different but a real man or woman does what needs to be done (within reason)to maintain the relationship. The place of the man was first and foremost respect his woman. A woman who feels respected and loved does wonders! The same holds true for a man.
I just don't see the respect anymore nor do I see the patience needed to make relationships work. It's like Wall Street, if the return isn't instant, the stock has to go but the real money is on the long-term investment. No one wants to wait.
I'm not talking about the asses who don't know how to act but people in general who have never seen a real relationship in action. For some it's so rare to actually see real men and women interact with each other that it's considered to be a gimmick or just for show.this is really a good read ... everybody's views are deep an insightful... with a little levity...
How is there no evidence and proof? Like I said I think what I think, and Im not gonna waste my time posting links upon links to prove my point...this is what I think and that's how it is. NO matter what evidence I bring and what I say is gonna make u change how u see shit right? SO WHY would I waste my time doing so? And I am waaaaaay too lazy to go and do it LOL.
And pleeeeease dont tell me shit how I dunno nothing about Islam. I know enuff and which is why I think what I think. Just because I have a diffrent opinion doesnt mean I dont know anything...
And again, Albanian Muslims and European Muslims are complitely diffrent. Russia has TONS of Muslims...but they practice Islam complitely diffrently then the ones in the Middle East.
I know tons of Muslims who know my opinion very well, and yet none have said "go learn about Islam before saying that"...there have been many that have said that it's all very exagerated and this shit doesnt happen anymore due to Westernazation of the Middle East...but for the most part, Arabs I know simply say "I dont think ur right but that's ur opinion"...I know what Islam is about, I have done my homework. Im sure I have more to learn but that wont sway my opinion.
"How closely women clutch the very chains that blind them" - Gone With The Wind
Mike82
12-05-2008, 11:32 AM
Again going based on what you think is right with absolutely ZERO evidence or proof other than your own head is not right. AGAIN- look it up. Learn about Islam before coming with anything to me. Remember- half of Albania is Muslim.. MY DAD is Mulsim, as is his whole side of the family, so really, i have some evidence as to what i'm talking about. Islam is actually one of THEEE most peaceful religiohns out. You, as i already mentioned, as connecting what the Middle Eastern society has done with their religion and there is NO connection between the two.
While at it, keep in mind that the most hateful crimes known to mankind & history were NOT performed by Muslims not Middle Eastern people. They were all perfromed by white, christian males.
I agree coyoteblack. COMPLETELY agree. Respect and patience are rarely existent in today's society.... something you barely ever see... it's a sad shame.
Queeny, I agree and disagree with you. Islam is a peaceful religion, and in some ways is very similar to the bible. Both religions believe in one god and stories in the bible and the Koran are very similar. Both religions, savior have one fundamental difference. Jesus never killed for Christianity. Muhammad did. Radical extremist groups have interpreted this as "Oh, I gotta go out and kill for Islam, like Muhammad did." It is not a violent religion lbut it has more of a tendancy to be violent.
As far as most hateful crimes being commited by White Christians, that is simply not true. Since the birth of Islam, Muslims have conqured most of Europe, Northern Africa, and have even gone as far West as India. The White Christians did have the Crusades, but that was partly in response to agreesive Muslim expansion for over 400 years. Another interesting note is slavery. While White Christians have been doing it since 1500's. Compare that to Muslims enslaving people for over 1400 years. And their form of slavery was far more brutal than slavery by the White Christians. Hell, they're still doing it to this day. Ever heard of the Darfur Province?
Queeny
12-05-2008, 12:47 PM
Queeny, I agree and disagree with you. Islam is a peaceful religion, and in some ways is very similar to the bible. Both religions believe in one god and stories in the bible and the Koran are very similar. Both religions, savior have one fundamental difference. Jesus never killed for Christianity. Muhammad did. Radical extremist groups have interpreted this as "Oh, I gotta go out and kill for Islam, like Muhammad did." It is not a violent religion lbut it has more of a tendancy to be violent.
As far as most hateful crimes being commited by White Christians, that is simply not true. Since the birth of Islam, Muslims have conqured most of Europe, Northern Africa, and have even gone as far West as India. The White Christians did have the Crusades, but that was partly in response to agreesive Muslim expansion for over 400 years. Another interesting note is slavery. While White Christians have been doing it since 1500's. Compare that to Muslims enslaving people for over 1400 years. And their form of slavery was far more brutal than slavery by the White Christians. Hell, they're still doing it to this day. Ever heard of the Darfur Province?
Again, that is societys making, NOT the religion. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it state to kill for Allah, just like the in Bible it doesnt say to kill for Jehovah. You are right, suicide bombers DO have a saying they say (i'm not sure how it translates into English) basically saying that they're killing themselves for Allah, but that is NOT a part of the Islamic religion. Matter of fact, suicide is condemned in Islam, just like it is in Christianity. As a matter of fact, I dont think ANY religion accepts suicide.... although there probably is one or two that does i just dont know of them lo ..... Point is, that people interpret religion different. Example- the taliban in Afgghanistan took Islam and made it HARD CORE- as in literally hard core. THen there are Islamic countries that have it NORMAL.
As far as your second point- I agree. I guess I worded it wrong. I never meant White Christinas did WORST- i meant to say that every religion has its fair share of crime and brutality, especially the bigger religions like Christianity Islam Catholicism etc ....
no i havent :( Do tell
Mike82
12-05-2008, 06:56 PM
Again, that is societys making, NOT the religion. Nowhere in the Qur'an does it state to kill for Allah, just like the in Bible it doesnt say to kill for Jehovah. You are right, suicide bombers DO have a saying they say (i'm not sure how it translates into English) basically saying that they're killing themselves for Allah, but that is NOT a part of the Islamic religion. Matter of fact, suicide is condemned in Islam, just like it is in Christianity. As a matter of fact, I dont think ANY religion accepts suicide.... although there probably is one or two that does i just dont know of them lo ..... Point is, that people interpret religion different. Example- the taliban in Afgghanistan took Islam and made it HARD CORE- as in literally hard core. THen there are Islamic countries that have it NORMAL.
As far as your second point- I agree. I guess I worded it wrong. I never meant White Christinas did WORST- i meant to say that every religion has its fair share of crime and brutality, especially the bigger religions like Christianity Islam Catholicism etc ....
no i havent :( Do tell
It was not my intention to blame Islam. Problem is though, when I am addressing the issue and talking about the times, it is hard for me to differentiate between the two, since the people of the countries that founded Islam decided to make it part of their society. Compare that to Christianity, where for the first 400 years of its existince, it was forced underground. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Islam. Like I said before, it is a peaceful religion and you right, society is to blame, not the religion. I seriously doubt that any religion tells you to invade other countries, and enslave its citizens. I don't know all there is to know about Islam, so it would not be fair for me to judge the religion. I just now they have had an extremely violent past.
Queeny
12-05-2008, 09:55 PM
It was not my intention to blame Islam. Problem is though, when I am addressing the issue and talking about the times, it is hard for me to differentiate between the two, since the people of the countries that founded Islam decided to make it part of their society. Compare that to Christianity, where for the first 400 years of its existince, it was forced underground. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing Islam. Like I said before, it is a peaceful religion and you right, society is to blame, not the religion. I seriously doubt that any religion tells you to invade other countries, and enslave its citizens. I don't know all there is to know about Islam, so it would not be fair for me to judge the religion. I just now they have had an extremely violent past.
Again though you end it by saying THEY (as in Muslims) have had a very violent past, however, that is not to say that ISLAM- the religion, is responsible. As I previously mentioned, the violent acts of terrorists or Middle Eastern people is NOT a result of the religion, its the result of their choices. Yes THEY have had a violent past, but I will not use THEY as Muslims I will use THEY has a geographical location which would be the Middle East. Europe has had a PATHEITICALLYYYYY violent past also..... we're not going to blame the religion. Shit, AMERICA is a violent country which also has a violent past, we cant blame religion .... same goes for the Middle East. Yes, people do in fact commit violent crimes, terrorism, etc. all in the name of Allah, but that is a MAN MADE DECISION not a religious act & until that is understood Islam will always be misinterpreted as violent.
I agree with Queeny and Mike, and blaming Islam as a religion may be wrong...but I just dont get how most of the violent crimes are associated with Islam, why is it that THIS particular religion always has blood on their hands...and yes like Q mentioned other religions did horrible things also but nothing comes close to the Middle East. Obviously it all ties together.
And Mike hit it right on the nail with Middle East being extremely violent.
My whole problem with this IS women. I never talk about shit I dont know. Literally a good 60-70% of my boyfriends were Arabic, I went to many high schools and one of them was 90% Arabs. I love Arabs and their culture, but the women in families are nothing but...exactly as the Muhammed said in the quote Queeny posted...helpers. Women are COMMITED HELPERS. We are responsible for life, for raising a family, for everything...yet we are 'helpers'.
I have HUGE issues with this religion and the Middle East where women are concerned and nothing anyone can say to change my opinion.
ALSO- to answer the last question you asked... I thikn ther is a society that has struck a balance between the two and it's Latin America... being real- Latina women & men are the only ones, who in my opinion, have a balance of ladies and sluts LOL .... you have those that will be hoes and you have those with the highest of morals . I guess to generalise and say Latinos is not particularly good as Latin AMerica has a lot of countries, but as a society i definately believe they are one of the few that has a balance of the two.
I absolutely 100% agree with this. I think overall...Latin culture has struck a perfect balance.
Women are never disrespected or put down, most have education, yet somehow they are raised to never lose the importance of family and kids. To raise a healthy, happy family is woman's #1 priority, but they never lose the sight of other things also...and vice versa.
Latin woman always holds a family together, they are raised to be smart, quick-witted and strong, yet they are always gentle, womanly, feminine and make amazing mothers.
My dad is spanish, and I know that when there is a girl growing up in the family she is very cherished, she is always spoiled and everyone makes sures she has everything she needs...so when she grows up, she doesnt look for love in the wrong places.
But what I love is they are so fiery and strong yet again, there's that perfect femininity. There's a saying "Never make a spanish woman angry" lol...women know how to put their men in place, and men know how to put their women in place, but it's all done gently, always with respect.
Mike82
12-06-2008, 09:17 AM
Again though you end it by saying THEY (as in Muslims) have had a very violent past, however, that is not to say that ISLAM- the religion, is responsible. As I previously mentioned, the violent acts of terrorists or Middle Eastern people is NOT a result of the religion, its the result of their choices. Yes THEY have had a violent past, but I will not use THEY as Muslims I will use THEY has a geographical location which would be the Middle East. Europe has had a PATHEITICALLYYYYY violent past also..... we're not going to blame the religion. Shit, AMERICA is a violent country which also has a violent past, we cant blame religion .... same goes for the Middle East. Yes, people do in fact commit violent crimes, terrorism, etc. all in the name of Allah, but that is a MAN MADE DECISION not a religious act & until that is understood Islam will always be misinterpreted as violent.
I guess I could of worded it differently. You couldn't blame Isalm, or any other religion for a society's evil deeds. Also, most the violence in this world is created by a just a few assholes in power. The general people in a country could really give a fuck about a stupid war. Most people in this world just want to live their lives, not invade other countries or go on stupid holy wars.
Now, not to get this topic back on track. I think the answer to "Why we demonize woman" is rather simple. It always boils down to how you are raised and family values. If everyone was raised right and taught how to treat people, this problem wouldn't exist. Hell, the world would people a lot better place if people new how to raise their kids.
tbhandy
12-12-2008, 07:57 PM
:clap: @ this thread.
There are too many dudes out here downing women in general like their own mother didn't have something to do with them being here. Personally I find it ironic myself a dude can get on cutiecentral and admire pics of beautiful women while at the same time be simmering with a hidden hatred for females in general.
This HOH (hard on hoes) movement dudes are pushing for 2008 is borderline homosexual.:shame:
I have to disagree with you because I'm hard on a bitch and I don't have a homosexual bone in my body! The reason I'm so hard on them is because most women, not all, most women have these huge fucking ego's that are out of this stratosphere! Big EGO's......it's what makes them lose their minds if they're denied sex...it's what makes her think that she can basically take another girl's man by just pushing up on him yet can't seem to understand how he could step out on her when presented with other female goodies...it's what makes her think that a failed erection and a dry pussy is always the man's fault and never her's. They try to treat men like they are beneath them, like a man is lucky that she is with him!I don't blame women though, I blame men, well SUCKERS because they put these bitches up on a pedestal, chasing them, jumping at their every beck and call, and other sucker shit! Suckers have dictated that we as men are the pleasers and they are the recipients in or out of the bedroom... so some less enlightnened females get it twisted and think that's how it should be with all men and that's when you have to be hard on a bitch, you have to knock them off that high horse, you have to shatter that big ego! When I say be hard on bitches, I don't mean physically, its all mental. If you get in a bitch mind, the body is gonna follow and I can't stress that enough because most suckers stoop to this level of suckerdom just to get some pussy! Don't get me wrong, its nothing wrong with putting YOUR WOMAN on a pedestal and treating her like a queen if its reciprocated. Ladies don't get offended because I don't call all women bitches, just the bitches! LOL
Most of women demean themselves , men don't have to do it but that another thread......
FuriouStylez
12-12-2008, 08:42 PM
I don't blame women though, I blame men, well SUCKERS because they put these bitches up on a pedestal, chasing them, jumping at their every beck and call, and other sucker shit! Suckers have dictated that we as men are the pleasers and they are the recipients in or out of the bedroom...
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thats what me, keels and min have been sayin the whole thread...
these niccas just gotta insist on auditioning for the debate team...
Queeny
12-23-2008, 11:42 AM
I have to disagree with you because I'm hard on a bitch and I don't have a homosexual bone in my body! The reason I'm so hard on them is because most women, not all, most women have these huge fucking ego's that are out of this stratosphere! Big EGO's......it's what makes them lose their minds if they're denied sex...it's what makes her think that she can basically take another girl's man by just pushing up on him yet can't seem to understand how he could step out on her when presented with other female goodies...it's what makes her think that a failed erection and a dry pussy is always the man's fault and never her's. They try to treat men like they are beneath them, like a man is lucky that she is with him!I don't blame women though, I blame men, well SUCKERS because they put these bitches up on a pedestal, chasing them, jumping at their every beck and call, and other sucker shit! Suckers have dictated that we as men are the pleasers and they are the recipients in or out of the bedroom... so some less enlightnened females get it twisted and think that's how it should be with all men and that's when you have to be hard on a bitch, you have to knock them off that high horse, you have to shatter that big ego! When I say be hard on bitches, I don't mean physically, its all mental. If you get in a bitch mind, the body is gonna follow and I can't stress that enough because most suckers stoop to this level of suckerdom just to get some pussy! Don't get me wrong, its nothing wrong with putting YOUR WOMAN on a pedestal and treating her like a queen if its reciprocated. Ladies don't get offended because I don't call all women bitches, just the bitches! LOL
Most of women demean themselves , men don't have to do it but that another thread......
I WAS going to freak out when I read this but you fixed it at the YOUR WOMAN part... Cus I dont see why a man would want to shatter his woman's ego.. that makes no sense to me. But youre right about pretty much everything you said.
ur_next_ex
03-07-2009, 09:49 AM
That is exactly what Im saying. Women choose to act stupid and disrespect themselves, so therefor men will treat like what they are portraying.
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Q-ROCK
03-07-2009, 03:24 PM
I have three girls....I come here to vent.
collegedropout
03-07-2009, 08:56 PM
Where the hell is FuriouStylez?
Hour Of Chaos
03-10-2009, 12:56 PM
Damn! Dudes is actin wild emo on da interwebz these days!
What happened?
I blame Kanye!
"We need to respect women! Now check out this new video of (*insert half-nekkid big-booty video chick here*) shakin dat ass!"
coyoteblack
03-10-2009, 01:40 PM
Damn! Dudes is actin wild emo on da interwebz these days!
What happened?
I blame Kanye!
"We need to respect women! Now check out this new video of (*insert half-nekkid big-booty video chick here*) shakin dat ass!" So what are you if you give a woman respect?.... This is just a tad bit ridiculous...
Don't respect your wife , your girlfriend lets take this further you don't respect your mother, your grandmother, your sister, how about your cousin, your niece or your baby girl.....
So you don't have any respect for any woman?
No woman in your life deserve respect they are worthless bodies to be used and discarded devoid of a soul, emotions or warmth..
What has happened in your life that was so horrific that shaped your views. what woman wounded you so deep that the scar will never heal but you will run up behind some soulless woman and stick your face so far up her ass, then say in the morning why should I respect you and she looks back at you after your face was in lodged deep in her ass, saying I love you, I love you and says, "why in the hell should I respect you?"
This is not a War of the sexes... Men is not the blame for this, Women are not the blame for that.. Give me a Bloody break.. Take responsibility for your own short comings and let them take the blame for theirs..
You act like there are no women in your life.... I see way..
Of yeah insert picture of dude fuking the hell out a soulless whore or is it the other way around......
Just one more thing,it just screams of hypocrisy... I see what some people are saying .. I can really relate but at least be realistic.....
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